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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Levistus's_Leviathan" data-source="post: 8352190" data-attributes="member: 7023887">I know. The only planes from the original Great Wheel that I actually like are Limbo and Mechanus, and I have problems with those, too (like I said earlier, the fact that the embodiments of pure chaos are multicolored-frog people (and not even the only multicolored frog-people in the game; I'm looking at you, Grung) is a big turn-off for me from Limbo. I do like the Githzerai, however). I'm aware that the Feywild and Shadowfell came from 4e (well, kinda. They were demiplanes before 4e). (I also think that Limbo and the Elemental Chaos are too similar, and might as well be combined.)I meant "seven versions of hell and heaven" as there being 7 different upper planes (heaven) and 7 different lower planes (hell). I'm aware of the origin of the Nine Hells. Just from a design standpoint, I don't see the need to have 7 different Lower Planes and 7 different Upper Planes. Hell, one Lower Plane and one Upper Plane would work with the sub-planes that nearly every Great Wheel plane has. IMO, the Plane of Dreams is a pretty distinct concept from the Feywild, as is the Plane of Nightmares and Plane of Death from the Shadowfell. Twilight Forest could be a part of the Feywild (like one of the new Domains of Delight), but it could also be its own thing (as Eberron demonstrates by merging the Beastlands with a Twilight Forest). Yeah, I don't see the need for that. Narnia already has a ton of Fey-creatures (Satyrs/Fauns, Centaurs, Nymphs, Merfolk, etc), so they might as well be one and the same. Slaad had their own plane of existence first. Fey have been around since the beginning, and have always been known for their chaotic and tricksy nature. Then just make one plane of war with cosmic different battlefields  <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" alt="🤷‍♂️" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f937-2642.png" title="Man shrugging    :man_shrugging:" data-shortname=":man_shrugging:" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" /> One for Vikings where they fight Valhalla-style, one for Goblinoids vs. Orcs, one for the Blood War, one for Celestials vs. Fiends, etc. Redundancy doesn't help anyone, IMO. They're finally answering the Plane of Dragons question in Fizbans, saying that the Material Plane is the Plane of Dragons (created by the dragon gods and the dragons are native to it), though it is very late into the hobby to be giving a sort of explanation like this, IMO. Giants? Notsomuch. Then just make Mount Olympus infinitely big. Deities live on it, for Heavens' sakes! (pun intended)What makes me even more mad/confused is that there's Hades (which isn't the Underworld, for some reason, and doesn't have Hades/Pluto in it), the Shadowfell, and the Fugue Plane that all sort of function as a "Plane of Death" (at least name/concept-wise), even though Hades is the most irrelevant of the 3. Kinda my point. Yugoloths are box-ticky, and Gehanna exists only because of box-ticking (and it's not even in the right spot!). Well, the Great Wheel isn't really a plane of existence, it's a way of organizing the planes (and the Astral Sea/Elemental Chaos is kinda the same). What I meant was more "why not just have a few Upper Planes and a few Lower Planes (probably not called that anymore and organized differently) and get rid of all the filler?".</blockquote>

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