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Message: <blockquote data-quote="breschau" data-source="post: 4078945" data-attributes="member: 52376">Looking over the char sheets from D&Dxp, here's what I think's going on.Universal class skills:Everyone gets them, but they're not necessarily trained.Acrobatics, Athletics, Insight, Perception, Stealth.Insight and Perception are used as static "defenses" against Bluff? and Stealth respectively.Skill list:Acrobatics - Dex.Arcana - Int.Athletics - Str.Bluff - Cha.Diplomacy - Cha.Dungeoneering - Wis.Endurance - Con.Heal - Wis.History - Int.Insight - Wis.Intimidate - Cha.Nature - Wis or Int. Ranger seems to use Wis, while the Wizard seems to use Int.Perception - Wis.Religion - Int.Stealth - Dex.Streetwise - Cha.Thievery - Dex.Trained skills by class:Paladin: 4 trained skills.Cleric: 4 trained skills.Fighter: 4 trained skills.Ranger: 6 trained skills.Wizard: 4 trained skills.Warlock: 4 trained skills.Rogue: 6 trained skills.Considering how clean the numbers are below, we can assume that there is no real difference between class skills and non-class skills (a house rule mentioned in Saga that many thought would make it into 4th).The few skills that don't add up are marked with a "?".Sample characters and the numbers:Paladin-Acrobatics -1. (Dex +1; -2 armor penalty)Athletics -2. (Str +2; -4 armor penalty)Diplomacy +8 (Cha +3; +5 trained)Heal +8 (Cha +3; +5 trained)Insight +8 (Wis +3; +5 trained)Perception +3 (Wis +3)Religion +4 (Int -1; +5 trained)Stealth -3 (Dex +1; -4 armor penalty)Why the difference between the Acrobatics and Athletics/Stealth penalty?Cleric-Acrobatics -1 (Dex +0; -1 armor penalty)Arcana +6 (Int +1; +5 trained)Athletics +1 (Str +2; -1 armor penalty)Heal +9 (Wis +4; +5 trained)History +6 (Int +1; +5 trained)Insight +9 (Wis +4; +5 trained)Perception +4 (Wis +4)Religion +6 (Int +1; +5 trained)Stealth -1 (Dex +0; -1 armor penalty)Fighter-Acrobatics -1 (Dex +1; -2 armor penalty)Athletics +6 (Str +3; +5 trained; -2 armor penalty)Endurance +9 (Con +4; +5 trained)Heal +7 (Wis +2; +5 trained)Insight +2 (Wis +2)Perception +2 (Wis +2)Stealth -1 (Dex +1; -2 armor penalty)Streetwise +4 (Cha -1; +5 trained)Ranger-Acrobatics +9 (Dex +4; +5 trained)Athletics +7 (Str +2; +5 trained)History +8 (Int +1; +5 trained; +2 ?)Insight +2 (Wis +2)Nature +7 (Wis +2; +5 trained)Perception +7 (Wis +2; +5 trained)Stealth +9 (Dex +4; +5 trained)Wizard-Acrobatics +2 (Dex +2)Arcana +10 (Int +5; +5 trained)Athletics +0 (Str +0)History +10 (Int +5; +5 trained)Insight -1 (Wis -1)Nature +10 (Int +5; +5 trained)Perception -1 (Wis -1)Stealth +9 (Dex +2; +5 trained; +2 skill training feat)That the "Skill Training" feat grants a +2 skill bonus is my assumption. It's neat and simple, it lines up all classes as having at least 4 trained skills (otherwise only the Wizard would have 3). If this assumption is correct, it could be confusing to have "trained" skills grant +5, while "training" skills (via the feat) only grant +2. Warlock-Acrobatics +0 (Dex +0)Athletics +0 (Str +0)Bluff +9 (Cha +4; +5 trained)Insight +6 (Wis -1; +5 trained; +2 ?)Perception -1 (Wis -1)Stealth +0 (Dex)Streetwise +9 (Cha +4; +5 trained)Thievery +5 (Dex +0; +5 trained)Armor penalty:From these we can assume that heavier armors give a skill penalty as before. The penalty affects at least Acrobatics, Athletics, and Stealth.Plate: -4.Chainmail: -1.Scale: -2.Hide: -0.Leather: -0.</blockquote>

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