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<blockquote data-quote="Scurvy_Platypus" data-source="post: 4678095" data-attributes="member: 43283"><p>I too was attracted to the cover. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>I skimmed the book and thought, "Cool, this is what Eberron wanted to be but couldn't."</p><p></p><p>I don't really know either Earthdawn or Jorune, so I can't comment too much on that.</p><p></p><p>As for the balance thing... yeah. It's the thing I think that really stopped a lot of people from getting into BESMd20 in general. The BESM line of books in general relied a lot more on the Players and GM coming to an agreement about things, instead of relying strictly on the rules. BESMd20 got hit for a number of different reasons. One, they basically said, "We think WotC didn't do a good job balancing things." That's automatically not going to endear you to a chunk of folks.</p><p></p><p>Then they turned around and assigned point values to thing; it is not possible to make people happy with a point cost. There's _always_ going to be somebody that thinks it's priced wrong for reasons A,B, and C. BESMd20 assigning points to stuff was more along the lines of "We feel that this is going to have more of an impact in a game than that". Whereas most people treat a point system as "This is worth more (or less) than that. It's a bit of a subtle difference in terms of what you're trying to get out of your point system, but it's one that didn't go down too well I don't think.</p><p></p><p>Sadly, Everstone wound up getting crap advertising and it came out at a time similar to Eberron. Between general dislike for BESMd20, no real advertising, and having to try and appeal against Eberron... pretty much a hopeless cause.</p><p></p><p>*shrug*</p><p></p><p>Still, I got my money's worth out of the game and then some. I'm hoping to be able to run it once I get a group lined up out here.</p><p></p><p>As for a War Golem that went against type, my wife went for the Urban model and made it a Moon Magi. I let her have access to the War Golem bits, but she had to pay for them using CP as normal. It seemed to work out well enough. She also explicitly made the War Golem be female. At the time that I ended the game, she was planning on making her character a golem familar. Not so much as a substitute kid, more along the lines of the character having a companion, as well as trying to figure out what exactly it meant to be a Golem.</p><p></p><p>I probably would have gone for a quadraped golem myself if I'd had someone to run the game for me. </p><p></p><p>I understand the "cat girl" thing. It doesn't bother me, but I like the idea of the females looking more like the males do. Kinda like Sekhmet or Bast.</p><p></p><p>I personally liked the game enough that I bought 4 copies of the book ($5 a pop), so that way it was a zero investment issue for the group I was with. A couple of them liked it enough that they went ahead and bought their own books later.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Scurvy_Platypus, post: 4678095, member: 43283"] I too was attracted to the cover. :) I skimmed the book and thought, "Cool, this is what Eberron wanted to be but couldn't." I don't really know either Earthdawn or Jorune, so I can't comment too much on that. As for the balance thing... yeah. It's the thing I think that really stopped a lot of people from getting into BESMd20 in general. The BESM line of books in general relied a lot more on the Players and GM coming to an agreement about things, instead of relying strictly on the rules. BESMd20 got hit for a number of different reasons. One, they basically said, "We think WotC didn't do a good job balancing things." That's automatically not going to endear you to a chunk of folks. Then they turned around and assigned point values to thing; it is not possible to make people happy with a point cost. There's _always_ going to be somebody that thinks it's priced wrong for reasons A,B, and C. BESMd20 assigning points to stuff was more along the lines of "We feel that this is going to have more of an impact in a game than that". Whereas most people treat a point system as "This is worth more (or less) than that. It's a bit of a subtle difference in terms of what you're trying to get out of your point system, but it's one that didn't go down too well I don't think. Sadly, Everstone wound up getting crap advertising and it came out at a time similar to Eberron. Between general dislike for BESMd20, no real advertising, and having to try and appeal against Eberron... pretty much a hopeless cause. *shrug* Still, I got my money's worth out of the game and then some. I'm hoping to be able to run it once I get a group lined up out here. As for a War Golem that went against type, my wife went for the Urban model and made it a Moon Magi. I let her have access to the War Golem bits, but she had to pay for them using CP as normal. It seemed to work out well enough. She also explicitly made the War Golem be female. At the time that I ended the game, she was planning on making her character a golem familar. Not so much as a substitute kid, more along the lines of the character having a companion, as well as trying to figure out what exactly it meant to be a Golem. I probably would have gone for a quadraped golem myself if I'd had someone to run the game for me. I understand the "cat girl" thing. It doesn't bother me, but I like the idea of the females looking more like the males do. Kinda like Sekhmet or Bast. I personally liked the game enough that I bought 4 copies of the book ($5 a pop), so that way it was a zero investment issue for the group I was with. A couple of them liked it enough that they went ahead and bought their own books later. [/QUOTE]
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