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d20 bubble bust?- High Prices, too many books
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<blockquote data-quote="Ghostwind" data-source="post: 1563031" data-attributes="member: 3060"><p>As long as the barrier of entry to publishing d20 books remains so low, you will continue to see a flood of products by new publishers, making it all the more difficult for 'established' publishers like Bastion, Green Ronin, Malhavoc, Necromancer, Fantasy Flight, etc. to succeed. When you have Joe Average, who thinks his campaign setting is better than Eberron, goes out and prints 3000 or more copies of the book and then gets someone to distribute it (only to sell 300-500 copies), he's stuck with a big debt and no desire to do anything more. But then Jim Cool comes along and thinks his elf book is the next big thing and the cycle starts all over again. </p><p> </p><p>At the store where I work at, we are not ordering/reordering anything d20 for stock unless it comes from AEG, Bastion, Fantasy Flight, Green Ronin, Malhavoc, Necromancer and Wotc. Special order only are: Atlas, Fast Forward, Fiery Dragon, Goodman, Kenzer, Mongoose, Sword & Sorcery, and a few others. It's a real challenge for retailers to weed the crap from the good when they have 125 new d20 products every month to choose from. So many are choosing to fall back to Wotc only, especially when they are too stubborn to mark the old not-selling inventory down drastically and blow it out to door to make room for new.</p><p> </p><p>The prices of RPG materials hasn't been an issue, although the $50 mark seems to be the top for our customers. We won't be ordering the WB Dungeon from AEG for stock. Most of it boils down to the fact that if the customer wants it, he'll pay for it. It all depends on his needs and likes. The same can be said for the content of the books. If they need it, they'll buy it.</p><p> </p><p>The long and short of it all is this: You want less books and lower prices? Then figure out how to raise the barrier of entry so the market is not so flooded with new one shots from newbie publishers. That's the only way I see things changing, unless you're willing to abandon d20 completely and go to Savage Worlds or somethign like it. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ghostwind, post: 1563031, member: 3060"] As long as the barrier of entry to publishing d20 books remains so low, you will continue to see a flood of products by new publishers, making it all the more difficult for 'established' publishers like Bastion, Green Ronin, Malhavoc, Necromancer, Fantasy Flight, etc. to succeed. When you have Joe Average, who thinks his campaign setting is better than Eberron, goes out and prints 3000 or more copies of the book and then gets someone to distribute it (only to sell 300-500 copies), he's stuck with a big debt and no desire to do anything more. But then Jim Cool comes along and thinks his elf book is the next big thing and the cycle starts all over again. At the store where I work at, we are not ordering/reordering anything d20 for stock unless it comes from AEG, Bastion, Fantasy Flight, Green Ronin, Malhavoc, Necromancer and Wotc. Special order only are: Atlas, Fast Forward, Fiery Dragon, Goodman, Kenzer, Mongoose, Sword & Sorcery, and a few others. It's a real challenge for retailers to weed the crap from the good when they have 125 new d20 products every month to choose from. So many are choosing to fall back to Wotc only, especially when they are too stubborn to mark the old not-selling inventory down drastically and blow it out to door to make room for new. The prices of RPG materials hasn't been an issue, although the $50 mark seems to be the top for our customers. We won't be ordering the WB Dungeon from AEG for stock. Most of it boils down to the fact that if the customer wants it, he'll pay for it. It all depends on his needs and likes. The same can be said for the content of the books. If they need it, they'll buy it. The long and short of it all is this: You want less books and lower prices? Then figure out how to raise the barrier of entry so the market is not so flooded with new one shots from newbie publishers. That's the only way I see things changing, unless you're willing to abandon d20 completely and go to Savage Worlds or somethign like it. ;) [/QUOTE]
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