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<blockquote data-quote="Pramas" data-source="post: 1572301" data-attributes="member: 995"><p>Well, the Advanced Player's Manual is big enough that even 48 pages is less than 25%, and it doesn't use any other OGC. And really, when you look at the big picture, it shouldn't be a problem. The book has a potential audience of at least 100,00 people and Malhavoc has only sold a few thousand copies of Cry Havoc so odds should be in our favor. However, I often see people say things like "I only buy d20 from GR and Malhavoc", so I suspect we are sharing a lot of consumers. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The Section 15 is below. For the most part, OGC is used in small chunks. A spell from this book, a feat from that book, etc. I think the biggest reuse is the Greater Treant from Goodman Games' Complete Guide to Treants. Also, several books in the Section 15 are only there because of license requirements, not because any content we used came from there. </p><p></p><p>15 COPYRIGHT NOTICE</p><p>Open Game License v 1.0 Copyright 2000, Wizards of the Coast, Inc.</p><p>System Reference Document Copyright 2000-2003, Wizards of the Coast, Inc.; Authors Jonathan Tweet, Monte Cook, Skip Williams, Rich Baker, Andy Collins, David Noonan, Rich Redman, Bruce R. Cordell, based on original material by E. Gary Gygax and Dave Arneson</p><p>Creature Collection Copyright 2000, Clark Peterson</p><p>Relics & Rituals Copyright 2001, Clark Peterson</p><p>Creature Collection 2: Dark Menagerie Copyright 2001, White Wolf Publishing, Inc.</p><p>Mithril: City of the Golem Copyright 2001, White Wolf Publishing, Inc.</p><p>Hollowfaust: City of Necromancers Copyright 2001, White Wolf Publishing, Inc.</p><p>The Wise and the Wicked Copyright 2001, White Wolf Publishing, Inc.</p><p>The Divine and the Defeated Copyright 2001, White Wolf Publishing, Inc.</p><p>Burok Torn: City Under Siege Copyright 2002, White Wolf Publishing, Inc.</p><p>Vigil Watch: Warrens of the Ratmen Copyright 2002, White Wolf Publishing, Inc.</p><p>Secrets and Societies Copyright 2002, White Wolf Publishing, Inc.</p><p>Scarred Lands Campaign Setting: Ghelspad Copyright 2002, White Wolf Publishing, Inc.</p><p>Relics & Rituals 2: Lost Lore Copyright 2002, White Wolf Publishing, Inc.</p><p>If Thoughts Could Kill Copyright 2002 Bruce R. Cordell. All Rights Reserved</p><p>Open Game Content from Encyclopaedia Divine: Shamans copyright 2002, Mongoose Publishing</p><p>Bow & Blade: A Guidebook to Wood Elves, Copyright 2003, Green Ronin Publishing; Authors Jesse Decker and Chris Thomasson</p><p>The Shaman’s Handbook, Copyright 2002, Green Ronin Publishing; Author Steve Kenson</p><p>The Witch’s Handbook, Copyright 2002, Green Ronin Publishing; Author Steve Kenson</p><p>Cooshees from the Tome of Horrors, Copyright 2002, Necromancer Games, Inc.; Author Scott Greene, based on original material by Gary Gygax</p><p>The Complete Guide to Treants by Joe Crow, Copyright 2002 Joseph Goodman DBA Goodman Games (contact <a href="mailto:goodmangames@mindspring.com">goodmangames@mindspring.com</a>, or see <a href="http://www.goodman-games.com" target="_blank">www.goodman-games.com</a>)</p><p>The Village of Briarton copyright 2003 by Gold Rush Games; Authors Patrick </p><p>Sweeney, Christina Stiles; Editing & Additional material by Spike Y Jones</p><p>Open Game Content from The Penumbra Bestiary Copyright 2003, Trident Inc. d/b/a Atlas Games; editor Michelle A. Brown Nephew</p><p>Uncommon Character Copyright 2003, Trident Inc., d/b/a Atlas Games</p><p>Waysides: Book of Taverns Copyright 2003, Eden Studios, Inc.</p><p>Testament: Roleplaying in the Biblical Era, Copyright 2003, Green Ronin Publishing; Author Scott Bennie</p><p>Monte Cook’s Arcana Unearthed Copyright 2003 Monte J. Cook. All rights reserved.</p><p>Occult Lore Copyright 2002, Trident Inc. d/b/a Atlas Games.</p><p>Nyambe: African Adventures Copyright 2002, Trident Inc. d/b/a Atlas Games; author Christopher W. Dolunt.</p><p>Creature Collection, ©2001 Scott Greene, <a href="http://www.enworld.org/cc" target="_blank">http://www.enworld.org/cc</a></p><p>The Book of the Righteous, Copyright 2002, Aaron Loeb</p><p>Into The Green, Copyright 2003, Bastion Press, Inc.</p><p>Corwyl: Village of the Wood Elves Copyright 2004, Green Ronin Publishing; Authors Christina Stiles and Patrick Sweeney</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Pramas, post: 1572301, member: 995"] Well, the Advanced Player's Manual is big enough that even 48 pages is less than 25%, and it doesn't use any other OGC. And really, when you look at the big picture, it shouldn't be a problem. The book has a potential audience of at least 100,00 people and Malhavoc has only sold a few thousand copies of Cry Havoc so odds should be in our favor. However, I often see people say things like "I only buy d20 from GR and Malhavoc", so I suspect we are sharing a lot of consumers. The Section 15 is below. For the most part, OGC is used in small chunks. A spell from this book, a feat from that book, etc. I think the biggest reuse is the Greater Treant from Goodman Games' Complete Guide to Treants. Also, several books in the Section 15 are only there because of license requirements, not because any content we used came from there. 15 COPYRIGHT NOTICE Open Game License v 1.0 Copyright 2000, Wizards of the Coast, Inc. System Reference Document Copyright 2000-2003, Wizards of the Coast, Inc.; Authors Jonathan Tweet, Monte Cook, Skip Williams, Rich Baker, Andy Collins, David Noonan, Rich Redman, Bruce R. Cordell, based on original material by E. Gary Gygax and Dave Arneson Creature Collection Copyright 2000, Clark Peterson Relics & Rituals Copyright 2001, Clark Peterson Creature Collection 2: Dark Menagerie Copyright 2001, White Wolf Publishing, Inc. Mithril: City of the Golem Copyright 2001, White Wolf Publishing, Inc. Hollowfaust: City of Necromancers Copyright 2001, White Wolf Publishing, Inc. The Wise and the Wicked Copyright 2001, White Wolf Publishing, Inc. The Divine and the Defeated Copyright 2001, White Wolf Publishing, Inc. Burok Torn: City Under Siege Copyright 2002, White Wolf Publishing, Inc. Vigil Watch: Warrens of the Ratmen Copyright 2002, White Wolf Publishing, Inc. Secrets and Societies Copyright 2002, White Wolf Publishing, Inc. Scarred Lands Campaign Setting: Ghelspad Copyright 2002, White Wolf Publishing, Inc. Relics & Rituals 2: Lost Lore Copyright 2002, White Wolf Publishing, Inc. If Thoughts Could Kill Copyright 2002 Bruce R. Cordell. All Rights Reserved Open Game Content from Encyclopaedia Divine: Shamans copyright 2002, Mongoose Publishing Bow & Blade: A Guidebook to Wood Elves, Copyright 2003, Green Ronin Publishing; Authors Jesse Decker and Chris Thomasson The Shaman’s Handbook, Copyright 2002, Green Ronin Publishing; Author Steve Kenson The Witch’s Handbook, Copyright 2002, Green Ronin Publishing; Author Steve Kenson Cooshees from the Tome of Horrors, Copyright 2002, Necromancer Games, Inc.; Author Scott Greene, based on original material by Gary Gygax The Complete Guide to Treants by Joe Crow, Copyright 2002 Joseph Goodman DBA Goodman Games (contact [email]goodmangames@mindspring.com[/email], or see [url]www.goodman-games.com[/url]) The Village of Briarton copyright 2003 by Gold Rush Games; Authors Patrick Sweeney, Christina Stiles; Editing & Additional material by Spike Y Jones Open Game Content from The Penumbra Bestiary Copyright 2003, Trident Inc. d/b/a Atlas Games; editor Michelle A. Brown Nephew Uncommon Character Copyright 2003, Trident Inc., d/b/a Atlas Games Waysides: Book of Taverns Copyright 2003, Eden Studios, Inc. Testament: Roleplaying in the Biblical Era, Copyright 2003, Green Ronin Publishing; Author Scott Bennie Monte Cook’s Arcana Unearthed Copyright 2003 Monte J. Cook. All rights reserved. Occult Lore Copyright 2002, Trident Inc. d/b/a Atlas Games. Nyambe: African Adventures Copyright 2002, Trident Inc. d/b/a Atlas Games; author Christopher W. Dolunt. Creature Collection, ©2001 Scott Greene, [url]http://www.enworld.org/cc[/url] The Book of the Righteous, Copyright 2002, Aaron Loeb Into The Green, Copyright 2003, Bastion Press, Inc. Corwyl: Village of the Wood Elves Copyright 2004, Green Ronin Publishing; Authors Christina Stiles and Patrick Sweeney [/QUOTE]
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