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<blockquote data-quote="Tav_Behemoth" data-source="post: 1590169" data-attributes="member: 18017"><p>It's true that the nominal source of re-used content is the SRD, rather than the Core Rulebooks etc. However, since Wizards has left the business of selling the SRD to others, it seems like they'd rather have references point to the books they are selling rather than the abstraction they're not.</p><p></p><p>My interest in citations comes not only from my concern for the health of open intellectual systems, but also from my desire to survive as a publisher even in an environment where the Open Gaming License freedoms were used to the maximum extent possible.</p><p></p><p>If I designate 100% of my work OGC and you post it all online for free, I'd like for there to be a citation that reminds users where to go if they want to buy a nicely laid out hardcopy of that content.</p><p></p><p>If I designate some of my work PI, I'd like to make it easy for people who re-use my OGC to refer to the source where I'm selling the PI related to it.</p><p></p><p>I don't at all blame Wizards for wanting to draft the OGL in a way that preserves their brand and its ability to make money. I do think that an accurate and mandatory citation system is an important component of making money, but I see the rationale for wanting to limit compatibility claims--and, like any legal document drafted during a revolution, the OGL probably represents a compromise between contentious factions with differing interests.</p><p></p><p>I also don't think the license needs to be modified in order to make citation mandatory. AFAIK, the scientific citation system isn't codified anywhere; it's just the way every publisher does it. If you don't cite prior work properly, you're not considered a legitimate scientist; you can't get published in scientific journals, and ideas that are published outside those journals are generally ignored regardless of their merit. I'm not enough of a historian of science to know what battles it took to cement that community standard for publication, but it's real and it works.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>A better question might be, why aren't there abbreviations for the newer sources that have contributed to the SRD?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tav_Behemoth, post: 1590169, member: 18017"] It's true that the nominal source of re-used content is the SRD, rather than the Core Rulebooks etc. However, since Wizards has left the business of selling the SRD to others, it seems like they'd rather have references point to the books they are selling rather than the abstraction they're not. My interest in citations comes not only from my concern for the health of open intellectual systems, but also from my desire to survive as a publisher even in an environment where the Open Gaming License freedoms were used to the maximum extent possible. If I designate 100% of my work OGC and you post it all online for free, I'd like for there to be a citation that reminds users where to go if they want to buy a nicely laid out hardcopy of that content. If I designate some of my work PI, I'd like to make it easy for people who re-use my OGC to refer to the source where I'm selling the PI related to it. I don't at all blame Wizards for wanting to draft the OGL in a way that preserves their brand and its ability to make money. I do think that an accurate and mandatory citation system is an important component of making money, but I see the rationale for wanting to limit compatibility claims--and, like any legal document drafted during a revolution, the OGL probably represents a compromise between contentious factions with differing interests. I also don't think the license needs to be modified in order to make citation mandatory. AFAIK, the scientific citation system isn't codified anywhere; it's just the way every publisher does it. If you don't cite prior work properly, you're not considered a legitimate scientist; you can't get published in scientific journals, and ideas that are published outside those journals are generally ignored regardless of their merit. I'm not enough of a historian of science to know what battles it took to cement that community standard for publication, but it's real and it works. A better question might be, why aren't there abbreviations for the newer sources that have contributed to the SRD? [/QUOTE]
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