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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kaodi" data-source="post: 3440509" data-attributes="member: 1231">To add a little to my rather hasty and... uhhh... bitter sounding diatribe, I came up with a little comparison.I took the skill check modifier to be actual skill ranks, so untrained and trained are both level 1, expert is level 5 and ace is level 9. I assume every category to be as a fast hero or ordinary, since they perform the best in every area except some skills, which would have someone with the relative skills and ability score for the task, so there is really no difference.So, d20 Future RAW:...............Skill Mod...Pilot Def...Pilot Dex...Gunner AtkUntrained..........+0...........+1...........+0..............-4Trained.............+4...........+3...........+2.............+2Expert..............+8...........+5...........+4..............+4 Ace................+12...........+7...........+6..........+8/+3However, what is so messed up is that everything except for of course Pilot Dex (which is the most ridiculous number as is) completely ignores ability bonus, and ignores that just because a crew is untrained, doesn't mean their not going to stick the best person for the job in each hot seat.So, I came up with this:...............Skill Mod...Pilot Def...Pilot Dex...Gunner AtkUntrained..........+2...........+1...........+2..............-2 Trained.............+6...........+3...........+2..............+4Expert.............+11...........+5...........+3..............+6Ace................+15...........+7...........+3..........+9/+4By comparison, this at least seems to make some sense, and is completely ready to go. The only feat taken into account here is Starship Operation, so these values could conceivably be higher depending on if crew members should be taking skill focus, or weapon focus. So, what kind of mental acrobatics did they do to justify the set of values included in the RAW?(Damnit, I still haven't figured out how to make tables correctly on the boards...)</blockquote>

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