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<blockquote data-quote="HeapThaumaturgist" data-source="post: 1895951" data-attributes="member: 12332"><p>Gah. The whole point was to use larger ships. Y'know. Epic battles in space at the command of a cruiser ... hard-bitten marines landing and fighting in the trenches ... War: Space-Style.</p><p></p><p>I'm honestly thinking of scrapping this whole Future thing and going back to Alternity. It had its flaws, but here's something ELSE it had:</p><p></p><p>Complete Rules.</p><p></p><p>Cybernetics, Mutations, Guns, Armor, Space Ships ... you didn't have to use them all, but they weren't so mutually conflicting that you had to spend hours throwing stuff away. I've spent more time plugging leaks, chinking bad planks, and generally trying to make a Future game ship-shape than I really feel I've needed to. </p><p></p><p>There's alot in the book, but not enough of anything to actually make a game of it. You get a handful of ships from different PLs and no real rules on how to build them so you can't grab a ready-made navy from the book as half of the ships provided are PL 7 and half PL 6, so you HAVE to retool them ... oh, but those rules got cut. Genetic Engineering and Nanotechnology seem to be mutually exclusive and overlapping, but you have to do decide what goes or stays because the PL system is no help. GE and Mutation seem to be mutually exclusive, but again, hand-tooling. Cybernetics? That too. And if you want some arms and armor you've got to make that by hand too.</p><p></p><p>Grrrrrrrrr. I'm seriously seriously frustrated with this "toolkit". It's all kit and no tools. I can't even find any finalized rules for attack progression for starships in here! Some seem to follow the "2nd, 3rd, 4th ... -5" progression, others seem to have two weapons at full BAB and a third at -5 ... shwa? They did all the easy work and stripped out anything useful. I can BUILD ships, if they'd give me the toolkit to do so, instead of a handful of pregenerated ships and no rules on how to GET there. You just sort of have to guesstimate everything. </p><p></p><p>--fje</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="HeapThaumaturgist, post: 1895951, member: 12332"] Gah. The whole point was to use larger ships. Y'know. Epic battles in space at the command of a cruiser ... hard-bitten marines landing and fighting in the trenches ... War: Space-Style. I'm honestly thinking of scrapping this whole Future thing and going back to Alternity. It had its flaws, but here's something ELSE it had: Complete Rules. Cybernetics, Mutations, Guns, Armor, Space Ships ... you didn't have to use them all, but they weren't so mutually conflicting that you had to spend hours throwing stuff away. I've spent more time plugging leaks, chinking bad planks, and generally trying to make a Future game ship-shape than I really feel I've needed to. There's alot in the book, but not enough of anything to actually make a game of it. You get a handful of ships from different PLs and no real rules on how to build them so you can't grab a ready-made navy from the book as half of the ships provided are PL 7 and half PL 6, so you HAVE to retool them ... oh, but those rules got cut. Genetic Engineering and Nanotechnology seem to be mutually exclusive and overlapping, but you have to do decide what goes or stays because the PL system is no help. GE and Mutation seem to be mutually exclusive, but again, hand-tooling. Cybernetics? That too. And if you want some arms and armor you've got to make that by hand too. Grrrrrrrrr. I'm seriously seriously frustrated with this "toolkit". It's all kit and no tools. I can't even find any finalized rules for attack progression for starships in here! Some seem to follow the "2nd, 3rd, 4th ... -5" progression, others seem to have two weapons at full BAB and a third at -5 ... shwa? They did all the easy work and stripped out anything useful. I can BUILD ships, if they'd give me the toolkit to do so, instead of a handful of pregenerated ships and no rules on how to GET there. You just sort of have to guesstimate everything. --fje [/QUOTE]
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