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Message: <blockquote data-quote="wingsandsword" data-source="post: 1454805" data-attributes="member: 14159">I could categorize the haters of the d20 System within the gaming world into four categories:1. Fans of a specific game, who only know how to play, or strongly prefer that game.  They get offended when someone suggests they replace a system they know better than anything else with another system, especially one which is significantly different.  This was aggravated by some really cruddy d20 conversions of existing games (like d20 Dead Lands).  Sometimes they think that their system allows for "real roleplaying" and that d20 is a childish, combat oriented system that makes it impossible to "tell a story".2. People who hate level-based systems.  They typically refused to play *D&D *E (or if they did, they did so under protest and complaining loudly the whole way).  They typically expoused the merits of White Wolf's Storyteller System, GURPS, or HERO System.  Sometimes they didn't understand why people didn't drop their existing games and move to *their* system of choice.  Even with a flexible levelling system that makes levels just packages of skills, they complain anything that isn't a pure "point buy" type system is just too constricting for them.3. People who didn't have anything against d20, per se.  They objected to the d20 "mentality" they saw.  They complain that d20 is just a bunch of fanboys who insist that all games must be d20, all existing settings must convert to d20, and that they will only play d20 games and only talk about d20 games.  I've actually seen these fanboys, they aren't common, but they are loud, and they are walking anti-diplomats for d20.  They ignore the system and hate it because of a very bad impression.4. People who were big fans of 1E or 2E, and saw 3E as a "dumbed down" version of AD&D, with simplified rules, elimination of "important" aspects such as THAC0 or saw the reduction of saving throw categories to 3 as a crime.  A few such purists I've seen don't want to touch the d20 System, because they think it's too.  In my experience, these sorts of d20 Haters typically prefer AD&D 1E/2E, Rolemaster, or Palladium for their gaming needs.</blockquote>

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