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<blockquote data-quote="SSquirrel" data-source="post: 1456018" data-attributes="member: 5202">Interesting note. Buddy of mine works for White Wolf and he told me that the Dirty Secrets of the Black Hand (which is the book that started the whole Vicissitude as intelligent disease) was basically disavowed a year or so after it was published. I believe (I'll have to ask my friend again for clarification) that the author wrote that book and several others in a direct effort to screw with the storyline due to some disputes. Not sure why it was published if that was the case, but oh well. So the guys who have been in charge of the system for Revised didn't pay any attention to that aspect of the power when doing that edition. DIrty Secrets was a 2nd Ed book.&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;Oops forget this comment I was gonna make:&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;This is a very good point and one of the reasons why 3E has made such an impact over 2E.&nbsp; Ease of use.&nbsp; Higher is always better.&nbsp; 1 die to rule them all (except for damage).&nbsp; Etcetera.&nbsp;&nbsp;Now the reason why combat is more complex in 3E than in 2E is that you are able to do SO much more.&nbsp; You had things like modifiers and grapple and such in 2E (sometimes multiple versions of the same basic rules), but you didn't have things like feats.&nbsp; I knew many DMs who you would ask if it were possible to do a Spring Attack kind of move and they would say no.&nbsp; WHen questioned as to why they would state it wasn't in the book.&nbsp;&nbsp; I know, bad DMing.&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;At the same time, if you had a system that supports these neat tricks that were previously only at the DMs discretion, you can have a lot more flexibility.&nbsp; This does mean taht many extra rules will creep in.&nbsp; Remember there's still more optional rules just in the 3E corebooks that are unused standardly that could make combat even more complex.&nbsp;&nbsp;Hagen&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Hagen</blockquote>

[QUOTE="SSquirrel, post: 1456018, member: 5202"] Interesting note. Buddy of mine works for White Wolf and he told me that the Dirty Secrets of the Black Hand (which is the book that started the whole Vicissitude as intelligent disease) was basically disavowed a year or so after it was published. I believe (I'll have to ask my friend again for clarification) that the author wrote that book and several others in a direct effort to screw with the storyline due to some disputes. Not sure why it was published if that was the case, but oh well. So the guys who have been in charge of the system for Revised didn't pay any attention to that aspect of the power when doing that edition. DIrty Secrets was a 2nd Ed book. Oops forget this comment I was gonna make: This is a very good point and one of the reasons why 3E has made such an impact over 2E. Ease of use. Higher is always better. 1 die to rule them all (except for damage). Etcetera. Now the reason why combat is more complex in 3E than in 2E is that you are able to do SO much more. You had things like modifiers and grapple and such in 2E (sometimes multiple versions of the same basic rules), but you didn't have things like feats. I knew many DMs who you would ask if it were possible to do a Spring Attack kind of move and they would say no. WHen questioned as to why they would state it wasn't in the book. I know, bad DMing. At the same time, if you had a system that supports these neat tricks that were previously only at the DMs discretion, you can have a lot more flexibility. This does mean taht many extra rules will creep in. Remember there's still more optional rules just in the 3E corebooks that are unused standardly that could make combat even more complex. Hagen Hagen [/QUOTE]

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