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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Arnwyn" data-source="post: 1456039" data-attributes="member: 7701">Incorrect - assuming we're talking about the same thing. As the aforementioned "d20 bashers" will look to what all the different d20 publishers produce. Who cares if WotC didn't say that is what they're attempting - if other publishers are doing it, then that is what will be seen and noted by consumers.You're probably arguing a level of minutia here that I'm not aware of, as I'm now unsure as to what you're talking about.People will look at d20 and see:D&D, d20 Modern, d20 Future, Deadlands d20, CoCd20, Spycraft, Stargate d20, Star Wars d20, Mecha Crusade, other Polyhedron weirdness, etc. (Just BESMd20? What are you talking about?)This looks like publishers are thinking that d20 is a universal system, able to handle any genre... and if people don't like the results, they can say that d20 is trying to be a universal system (which I'm defining as "able to handle any genre") and doesn't work.Now, I agree that d20 certainly is not generic (it really does do some genres badly). But I think people can be forgiven when they think that it's made to be that way...[However, you might be arguing something entirely different than what I think you're arguing, and then we're not on the same page and all this is moot.]</blockquote>