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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Saeviomagy" data-source="post: 1456294" data-attributes="member: 5890">Ummm. Actually yes. The themed collections of abilities that the WoD games have that are tied to a single bought stat (like auspex for instance) are very reminiscient of a level progression.Huh? You mean BRP's random-stats-and-spend-a-million-points generation system? I always figured it was way too time-consuming for a system where you were expected to lose characters on a regular basis...That's really a players choice. An effective cleric can be played just from the one-liners on each spell.You ARE kidding, right? What sort of an idiot would force someone to do that? It's like making every player state that their character wakes up in the morning!Nope. Monks do nonlethal just fine.Or that you didn't read them.I mean I understand that the rules may not be for you, but I can't just let you give wildly incorrect reasoning to support that.As opposed to white wolf's system, where there are a number of 'disciplines' or whatever that do not have obvious lines of power escalation, but rather give a different nifty ability at each... umm...How do I finish without saying level?And where if you want to get the top [word that isn't level] power, you have to get some other abilities that you didn't necessarily want.</blockquote>