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Message: <blockquote data-quote="evildmguy" data-source="post: 1457356" data-attributes="member: 6092">Wow!  With the unfortunate exception of one person who attacked people on a personal level, including myself, I think this has been a great thread!  Thanks!Again, I can only speak for myself.  As others have said, I am not down on all aspects of d20.  There are some d20 games I would like to try because I think they will be good games (Spycraft or more preferably, Stargate), because I think they capture the spirit of the game well (Star Wars) or because I would like to try it. (d20 Modern, probably d20 Future when it comes out.)  I was really excited about 3E.  I could feel myself getting burned on on 2E.  I remember having long email discussions with friends about how 2E characters are too similar.  I was at the point where I thought a fighter was a fighter, dwarven or human, in 2E.  Yes, there were role playing differences, don't get me wrong.  The game mechanics which is a lot of what this discussion is about to me, though, were all very similar in 2E within the same class.  When 3E came out, I loved it!  It renewed my love of DND.  However, within three years, I had the same arguments, even with all of the new choices, and was again emailing and talking about it with my friends.  There were more choices but the things that I didn't like about the system (class, level, hit points, magic, "upping the numbers") were still there.  Therefore, I did something about it and started using a different system.  As others said, while there are some very good things about the d20 system, including the OGL and SRD, I don't think one system can do it all.  That's just me, though.  In saying that, though, one thing that is very nice is that my "old" group can get together the few times we do (maybe two or three times a year) and play DND, or d20 Modern or other similar game, and start with a working knowledge of about 80% of the system.  That's pretty cool to me!  This allows us to try some different genres but use the same rule system that everyone knows.  I would still like to see a d20 Fantasy, more in line with the d20 Modern ideas, or using some of the Unearthed Arcana ideas.  However, given what I have, if my group ever wanted to play DND again, I could probably create or use enough d20 rules from the various systems to make us all happy.  And, in the end, that's what is important to me.Good discussion!  Thanks all!  Have a good one!edg</blockquote>

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