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<blockquote data-quote="buzz" data-source="post: 1459702" data-attributes="member: 6777"><p>That's not my point at all.</p><p></p><p>My point is that I think it's bogus when people state that "d20 does foo" or "OGL does bar" (e.g., d20 makes people eschew other systems, the OGL is some sort of sinister corporate plot to undermine copyrights, etc.).</p><p></p><p>d20 doesn't "do" anything.*</p><p></p><p>d20 sits on a shelf.</p><p></p><p>d20 doesn't sprout from pods implanted in your bedroom by aliens. It doesn't make all your WoD books spontaneously burst into flame.** It isn't forcing companies to convert your favorite game to their system. It doesn't make your players show up late or welch out of paying for the pizza.</p><p></p><p>What <strong>does</strong> "do" is the market. The market has overwhelmingly asked for d20 product. The market has said to companies who are adapting d20 to different genres: "This is cool. Please do more of it."</p><p></p><p>And you know what else the market has done? Buoyed by all the fat cash d20 is bringing in, it's adapted to those gamers who who like variety, or who don't like D&D/d20 (a perpetual minority--sorry), and provided more quality "alternative" product than ever before. Don't like d20? No problem. There's always WoD, Dark Ages WoD, Exalted, InSpectres, HERO, Savage Worlds, Action!, TriStat, GURPS, Riddle of Steel, FUDGE, Godlike, HeroQuest, Rifts, Buffy, LOTR, Sorcerer, Call of Cthulhu, Ars Magica, etc, ad nauseam, ad infinitum, and the 37,506,277 free RPGs you can d/l off the Web.</p><p></p><p>This is how I see things at least. And it's why I can't, for the life of me, comprehend how anyone can be so p.o.'ed about d20 that they make it their life's mission to attribute to it all the evils of the world... just like they did to the editions of D&D prior to it, and will continue to do to any set of rules published by whomever they have deemed the Evil Corporate Empire(tm).</p><p></p><p>This doesn't negate valid critcism of the system, nor dismiss the issue of taste... because say what you want about tomatoes, it usually all comes down to taste. At some point, though, you just need to move on. Some people may think they're puttin' it to the Man by wearing their d20 hate on their sleeve, but really, the Man wouldn't know a d12 from a Dee Snyder. The Man thinks we're all stupid dorks.</p><p></p><p>Wow. I'm pretty sure I have a point in there somewhere. :\</p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">*Let's just pretend that someone has already provided some snappy comeback to this, e.g., "You're dang right it doesn't." <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">**Though we can dare to dream... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="buzz, post: 1459702, member: 6777"] That's not my point at all. My point is that I think it's bogus when people state that "d20 does foo" or "OGL does bar" (e.g., d20 makes people eschew other systems, the OGL is some sort of sinister corporate plot to undermine copyrights, etc.). d20 doesn't "do" anything.* d20 sits on a shelf. d20 doesn't sprout from pods implanted in your bedroom by aliens. It doesn't make all your WoD books spontaneously burst into flame.** It isn't forcing companies to convert your favorite game to their system. It doesn't make your players show up late or welch out of paying for the pizza. What [b]does[/b] "do" is the market. The market has overwhelmingly asked for d20 product. The market has said to companies who are adapting d20 to different genres: "This is cool. Please do more of it." And you know what else the market has done? Buoyed by all the fat cash d20 is bringing in, it's adapted to those gamers who who like variety, or who don't like D&D/d20 (a perpetual minority--sorry), and provided more quality "alternative" product than ever before. Don't like d20? No problem. There's always WoD, Dark Ages WoD, Exalted, InSpectres, HERO, Savage Worlds, Action!, TriStat, GURPS, Riddle of Steel, FUDGE, Godlike, HeroQuest, Rifts, Buffy, LOTR, Sorcerer, Call of Cthulhu, Ars Magica, etc, ad nauseam, ad infinitum, and the 37,506,277 free RPGs you can d/l off the Web. This is how I see things at least. And it's why I can't, for the life of me, comprehend how anyone can be so p.o.'ed about d20 that they make it their life's mission to attribute to it all the evils of the world... just like they did to the editions of D&D prior to it, and will continue to do to any set of rules published by whomever they have deemed the Evil Corporate Empire(tm). This doesn't negate valid critcism of the system, nor dismiss the issue of taste... because say what you want about tomatoes, it usually all comes down to taste. At some point, though, you just need to move on. Some people may think they're puttin' it to the Man by wearing their d20 hate on their sleeve, but really, the Man wouldn't know a d12 from a Dee Snyder. The Man thinks we're all stupid dorks. Wow. I'm pretty sure I have a point in there somewhere. :\ [SIZE=1]*Let's just pretend that someone has already provided some snappy comeback to this, e.g., "You're dang right it doesn't." :)[/SIZE] [size=1]**Though we can dare to dream... ;)[/size] [/QUOTE]
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