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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Maggan" data-source="post: 1461862" data-attributes="member: 6616">The hate for d20 and my responsesThat's a very good point. So even more product lines are out there that are not d20.The reason I compiled the list was the fact that I got into a lot of discussions where people claimed that all that was produced was d20 and that d20 was killing creativity.After I repeatedly asked for some sort of data to back that up, and never getting any data, I compiled the list.I also did a list as a response to the accusation that "WotC is evil because d20 destroys old properties like Macho Women With Guns, Deadlands and Judge Dredd. And Call of Cthulhu. And Conan".To which I now reply:GURPS Castle FalkensteinGURPS TravellerIn Nomine (english version)GURPS In NomineGURPS IlluminatiIn Nomine AnimeGURPS DeadlandsGURPS CthulhupunkGURPS ConanGURPS Bunnies&BurrowsGURPS Conspiracy XGURPS Mage: The AscensionGURPS Vampire: The MasqueradeThe number of games that's been GURPS:ified is larger than the amount of games that's been d20:fied. Why do I pick on GURPS? Because in the discussions SJ Games were heralded as the anti-WotC, the good guys who never did anything wrong. Only WotC would be so evil as to do an adaption of, say Call of Cthulhu, for another system. It turns out the d20-critics were wrong.There is one Cthulhu-adaption in there, and in the list of new games there is another one. And there is De Profundis.Yet these game are not accused of destroying Call of Cthulhu. They are not decried as the anti-messias of roleplaying because they don't use BRP as the basic engine.But d20 is.Why?Because the critics most often don't look at what's being done with the games or the supplements. They see the "d20" logo and tell themselves "this is bad because it's d20. I will never read this, that's how bad it is!"Yep, "I will not read this, I know it's crap". I've been confronted with that line of reasoning many times when it comes to WotC, D&D and d20. And White Wolf and WoD as well.And when I ask for data to back up the ideas that d20 is destroying the market and creativity, I never get any. Not once have I got any hard data to back up the notion that d20 has destroyed the market for non-d20 games, or that it has stifled creativity within the hobby.So if anyone's got any data that'll prove me wrong, bring it on!*Maggan*Of course my data is not conclusive or anything, but it's more data than any d20-critic has ever been able to produce.(PS. And yes, I come across as bitter because on the boards I frequent there are vocal anti-d20 people who continously blame d20 and WotC for everything bad in the hobby without having anything to back that up with. So I've had my share of discussions about this. In my opinion WotC is not a benevolent santa claus, but they aint the ant-christ either. If they are to be blamed for something, it'd better be something they really are guilty of, and not trumped up charges that can easily be disproven. DS)</blockquote>

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