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<blockquote data-quote="buzz" data-source="post: 1464644" data-attributes="member: 6777">:shrugs:I think it's a worthy point when confronted with arguments that d20 stifles the &quot;needs&quot; of the market/community. The terminology that often gets used&nbsp; makes it sound (to me) like we're talking about equal opportunity in the workplace or housing. Ergo, I think it's useful to remind ourselves that we're not talking about &quot;needs&quot; here. We're talking about games.d20 is obviously meeting the &quot;needs&quot; of the gaming populace. I don't think people would be buying the products otherwise. The &quot;needs&quot; of gamers for other systems also seems to be being met, as there is a vibrant sector of the industry doing just that. That d20 is doing something harmful by being popular, or that the great unwashed* gaming populace are somehow being kept from the other RPGs that would magically make their lives better is just something I've never agreed with, and an argument I find to be just taking itself way too seriously.I also don't appreciate being called a &quot;pedant&quot; or &quot;robot&quot;, or snide comments about my &quot;charm&quot;, &quot;skill&quot;, &quot;rhetorical kung-fu&quot;, or being &quot;clubbed in the head.&quot; I haven't directed anything personal towards you, or jessemock, or anyone else here. Disagree with or ignore me all you want; just keep it nice.*Often more than a metaphor, unfortunately. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> </blockquote>

[QUOTE="buzz, post: 1464644, member: 6777"] :shrugs: I think it's a worthy point when confronted with arguments that d20 stifles the "needs" of the market/community. The terminology that often gets used makes it sound (to me) like we're talking about equal opportunity in the workplace or housing. Ergo, I think it's useful to remind ourselves that we're not talking about "needs" here. We're talking about games. d20 is obviously meeting the "needs" of the gaming populace. I don't think people would be buying the products otherwise. The "needs" of gamers for other systems also seems to be being met, as there is a vibrant sector of the industry doing just that. That d20 is doing something harmful by being popular, or that the great unwashed* gaming populace are somehow being kept from the other RPGs that would magically make their lives better is just something I've never agreed with, and an argument I find to be just taking itself way too seriously. I also don't appreciate being called a "pedant" or "robot", or snide comments about my "charm", "skill", "rhetorical kung-fu", or being "clubbed in the head." I haven't directed anything personal towards you, or jessemock, or anyone else here. Disagree with or ignore me all you want; just keep it nice. [size=1]*Often more than a metaphor, unfortunately. :) [/size] [/QUOTE]

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