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Message: <blockquote data-quote="barsoomcore" data-source="post: 1464948" data-attributes="member: 812">Which we are, so for the d20 system, it's true. For people who are using the d20 system it is the case that statting up a whatever requires a certain amount of effort. Therefore it is also the case that products that supply those stats are providing a certain amount of value.No, we're not, because we can both be correct in this. If for you it is a small amount of effort, then for you the value of generated stat blocks is small.That doesn't make it small for me. You may enjoy games in which the statistics play little part. That's fine. I may enjoy games which largely revolve around the statistics.I've played Amber. I even went through what you did, largely rejecting the "math" aspect of games in favour of "story-telling" and so on. I've played and run many, many types of games. I've invented my own systems and run campaigns with those.I like what I like and part of what I like is a certain level of detail in the statistics. I find d20 has the right level for me. So for me, it is not a "myth" that compatible game stats are valuable. I am not "buying into" anything. I haven't been "trained" any more than you have (and frankly, it's tremendously insulting of you to insinuate that I have. please don't). I just happen to enjoy a style of gaming different from yours.And because of that, products with compatible game stats are indeed demonstratably more valuable to me than those without, all other things being equal.The only myth I see in your reasoning is that one type of gaming is better than another, which is the only case in which your notion that it is a "myth" that stat blocks are valuable is true. It's only a myth if it's in fact better to play with less stats. It's not in fact better, so it's not a myth. For those who want to play systems with more stats, it's a fact.</blockquote>

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