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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 631606" data-attributes="member: 2525">I'll add more to the FAQ later, but I thought this ruling was a bit significant:More on Brawl and Brass Knuckles:If you want to deal lethal damage with brass knuckles, you cannot take advantage of any feat that delivers nonlethal damage only. That means you don't get the benefit of the Brawl or Knockout Punch feats.If you want to deal nonlethal damage, here's how things play out:Brass knuckles + Brawl feat = 1d6+1 nonlethalBrass knuckles + Improved Brawl = 1d8+1 nonlethalBrass knuckles + Improved Brawl + Knockout Punch= 2d8+2 nonlethalBrass knuckles + Improved Brawl + Improved KO Punch = 3d8+3 nonlethal[I'm merely clarifying the damage here; these answers don't supercede the additional rules and conditions given in the feat descriptions.]That said, the following answer in the FAQ is incorrect (or at least a bit misleading):Q: Does improved brawl or combat martial arts have any effect on using brass knuckles. Does improved brawl increase brass knuckle damage at all.A: No and no. [Should be: "Combat Martial Arts has no effect on using brass knuckles, and vice versa. Brawl can be used with brass knuckles only when dealing nonlethal damage; if you choose to deal lethal damage, you don't get the benefit of the Brawl feat."]Now, why all the confusion? It really comes down to a single word in the description of brass knuckles on page 106: "[brass knuckles] allow you to deal lethal damage with an unarmed strike. . ." That means you have a choice when you use brass knuckles: you can deal lethal or nonlethal damage. Unfortunately, in my notes in one location I had apparently misread that as "brass knuckles cause you to deal lethal damage. . ." (You don't have a choice; the damage is automatically lethal.) If that were the case, you wouldn't be able to stack the benefits of brass knuckles with Brawl or Knockout Punch, since those feats deal only with nonlethal damage.Whew! Hope that clears things up!</blockquote>

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