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Message: <blockquote data-quote="malladin" data-source="post: 949071" data-attributes="member: 8230">e've also got our own version of this type of game due out in the next 6 months or so (although having to compete against Bad Axe worries me slightly...).  Ours will be probably more restricted to dark fantasy than Grim Tales sounds.What we've found when we've tried to do this is that it needs to be a complete mix between D&D and D20M, you can't really just take the existing base classes, you need to use the existing skills from D&D and things start getting a little complitcated.Therefore we have decided to come up with 6 new base classes that are the fantasy equivalent of the strong hero, fast hero, etc. These classes have ended up being more task oriented (like the D&D/D20 fantasy classes) than the D20M ones, but still very generic.  We're still using the same concept of the class providing a mixture of talents and bonus feats, although we've added 'advantages' which are a more fantasy way of incorporating 'wealth' and balanced alternatives, such as a destiny or a powrful heirloom passed down to your character.I'll see if I can put something together as a quick preview of what we've got done to a presentable state so far.  watch this space.cheerio,Ben, Malladin's Gate PressPS. Our product will be a free pdf download to give you the basics but will then be expanded out by further 'pay for' supplements.</blockquote>