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Message: <blockquote data-quote="takyris" data-source="post: 1374344" data-attributes="member: 5171">Bagpuss:  See, I agree with you.  But the archetype, stereotype, whatever, seems to have this awful aversion to taking a level of Strong Hero.  It just gnaws at them, having to take that level of Strong Hero.  I'm always confused.  I once made the party's medic a 2nd-level Strong Hero (they were 2nd-level at the time) with the Medical Occupation and the Medical-boosting feat.  When they saw that I could outfight them AND be useful in other areas, they began to accept that even a Strong Hero could be interesting.JD: Well, if they want to do Special Forces stuff, then they need to be decently high level (or at least, if they want to do heroic special forces stuff where they aren't in danger of dying when they meet 6 2nd-level ordinaries with handguns).  The thing I love most about d20 Modern is that it does level the playing field somewhat.  With only one basic class receiving fighter-BAB progression, it's easily possible to have a high-level character with a lousy BAB.  And with the massive damage saves, it's easily possible to get taken out by a mook who rolls well.  It breeds caution, and I tend to think that healthy caution is a good thing.I completely agree with you that d20 Modern characters are generally useful in more situations than their D&D counterparts.  The Strong/Tough Hero certainly has more options than the Fighter.</blockquote>