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<blockquote data-quote="HeapThaumaturgist" data-source="post: 2845609" data-attributes="member: 12332">Yea.&nbsp; Spycraft's levels don't really mesh with d20Modern levels.&nbsp; D20Modern tends to map everybody on the 1 - 20 scale, Ordinary/Hero axis.&nbsp; Spycraft ... the heroes are THE HEROES (all caps).&nbsp; Everybody else is, well, a skill bonus or two.&nbsp; Or a BAB and a damage save.&nbsp; The great unwashed masses are no threat to superspies such as they.&nbsp; As pointed out, many of the classes START OUT, at 1st level, being utterly unable to fail anything but a check at the very very top edge of &quot;doable&quot;.&nbsp; They get, pretty much, a free &quot;Take 17&quot;.&nbsp; Characters start out with a few more feats and a handful of class abilities tightly focused to their archetype.d20Modern characters don't hit their stride until 4th level, when they can choose to narrow down to an archetype.&nbsp; Before that, they feat up and collect a few general abilities where they wish.D20 Modern 1st Level &quot;Soldier&quot; - A kid just out of boot camp.&nbsp; He has some chops, but he certainly isn't Biff Rocky-abs: Man About Town.Spycraft 1st level Soldier - Sgt. &quot;Tankbuster&quot; Tankersly ... man's man with a smoking LAW on his shoulder and a cigar in his teeth.&nbsp; He's the Best of the Best of the Best, SIR!&nbsp; And at level 20 ... well, he's still the best of the best of the best ... he just gets a bigger rocket launcher.They're just VERY different types of games, on some really core-level points.&nbsp; Some people are just going to like one style of gaming over the other.--fje</blockquote>

[QUOTE="HeapThaumaturgist, post: 2845609, member: 12332"] Yea. Spycraft's levels don't really mesh with d20Modern levels. D20Modern tends to map everybody on the 1 - 20 scale, Ordinary/Hero axis. Spycraft ... the heroes are THE HEROES (all caps). Everybody else is, well, a skill bonus or two. Or a BAB and a damage save. The great unwashed masses are no threat to superspies such as they. As pointed out, many of the classes START OUT, at 1st level, being utterly unable to fail anything but a check at the very very top edge of "doable". They get, pretty much, a free "Take 17". Characters start out with a few more feats and a handful of class abilities tightly focused to their archetype. d20Modern characters don't hit their stride until 4th level, when they can choose to narrow down to an archetype. Before that, they feat up and collect a few general abilities where they wish. D20 Modern 1st Level "Soldier" - A kid just out of boot camp. He has some chops, but he certainly isn't Biff Rocky-abs: Man About Town. Spycraft 1st level Soldier - Sgt. "Tankbuster" Tankersly ... man's man with a smoking LAW on his shoulder and a cigar in his teeth. He's the Best of the Best of the Best, SIR! And at level 20 ... well, he's still the best of the best of the best ... he just gets a bigger rocket launcher. They're just VERY different types of games, on some really core-level points. Some people are just going to like one style of gaming over the other. --fje [/QUOTE]

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