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Message: <blockquote data-quote="takyris" data-source="post: 1471517" data-attributes="member: 5171">Hey, Chuck, apologies for counteraccusation -- I felt that I was being dinged for something that I wasn't trying to do in this thread, and I got defensive.Tonfa change makes sense -- and yeah, a +1 Defense bonus of some sort is probably about the best way to make it somewhat more attractive as a weapon.  I'm tempted to give the tonfa 1d6 damage when used to do nonlethal damage, and up the sap to 1d8, but I might end up with people using them all the time.  I dunno.  We'll see.  Maybe my players will never use one, and it won't matter.Spatula, I dunno.  A strong hero with a three-section-staff might still be okay even with the -4 penalty for using it nonlethally.  Or an Investigator with a machete and Streetfighting -- get to the level where you can do nonlethal damage without the -4, and life gets more pleasant for you.  There's definitely a tradeoff -- you have to be pretty high level OR you have to invest a lot of feats.  My thought, though, is that, from the complaints I've seen, that's sort of true for d20Modern combat across the board.  Guns, nonlethal, most melee weapons... none of it is powerful enough to really do a great job until you sink a bunch of feats into it.  Compared to D&D, this blows, but it's sort of balanced across the board (well, I think, anyway).Except for the dang tonfa. The tonfa just blows.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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