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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ledded" data-source="post: 1477812" data-attributes="member: 12744">Yeah, the living weapon extension may work in a non-WotC d20 Modern game, though I much prefer the work done with the supplements.  You can easily mix-and-match to get what you want.  I understand what you are saying.  To me, it's a 'martial arts weapon' if it's a specific weapon that is an integral part of a style that enforces training and practice to be able to accomplish something above the ordinary.  If you came up with a secret martial arts 'scholar's revenge' style where someone used a OED like that, and they trained to use it, then there should be some benefit to it used within the parameters of that style.  At the same time, though, not all improvised implements or weapons, IMO, can qualify for the same treatment.  For example, I've trained for quite a few years in kenjutsu, using a bokutoh for a lot of the training work.  With my wooden stick/bokutoh I can do quite a lot with a wide variety of options for attacking/defending.  A baseball bat is just a wooden stick also, and similar in length, but the feel/weight of it would give me problems with some maneuvers even though I would consider myself better-than-average chances to use one like my bokutoh (i.e. certain 'slashing' type attacks/defenses, etc would just not work as well with a baseball bat, but may still be possible, and the bat would be much slower/clumsier for a lot of fine control maneuvers used in blocking).   Unfortunately from a rules perspective, it just seems that you have to adjudicate what constitutes a martial arts weapon on a case-by-case basis, i.e. does the object you want to use have enough similarity to something you've been trained with or is it an object that you could realisitically see providing a similar benefit to another 'martial arts weapon'.</blockquote>

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