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Message: <blockquote data-quote="El Mahdi" data-source="post: 5226538" data-attributes="member: 59506">First, Welcome to ENWorld!<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />  Yeah, the D20 Modern book (Gamemastering section) doesn't have as much help for this as the D&D DMG does (3.0 or 3.5). For your specific example (determining the CR of a basic thug) you want pg. 271 of the D20 Modern Book. Remember that the CR of a creature/NPC equates to a moderate challenge for four PC's of the same level as the creature/NPC CR (i.e.: CR 4 creature/NPC vs. 4 PC's of level 4). CR of an ordinary NPC (made using normal NPC classes - no special abilities) is their level -1 (page 271). The book also has low-level, mid-level, and high-level versions of basic Thugs on page 273-274. To change their level and CR, I'd use the formula on pg. 102 of the 3.0 DMG (under the Tougher Monsters section), or <a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/improvingMonsters.htm#tableImprovedMonsterCRIncrease" target="_blank">this</a> section of the D20 SRD. Some other things you can do to determine a CR, are to look for a monster that's already in the book that has the CR you want, then "reskin" it to fit the monster or NPC you envision (keep the "stats": Hit Dice, BAB, abilities, etc. - and just change the description). Or find a "base" version of what you want in the book, then increase their Hit Dice, BAB, Saves, etc. and use the D&D DMG to calculate the increased CR. I won't reprint anything from the books here, but here are some references that might help you: <a href="http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=d20/article/msrd" target="_blank">D20_Modern_SRD</a> (at WotC website) (especially the Creature Overview, Creature Types, and Creatures sections - of course though, the D20 Modern SRD at WotC was meant to be used with the book, so it doesn't have a Gamemastering section.) <a href="http://www.d20srd.org/" target="_blank">D20_SRD</a> (the hypertext D20 srd) <a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/improvingMonsters.htm#advancedMonsterChallengeRating" target="_blank">D20_SRD_Advanced_Monster_Challenge_Ratings</a> (@ the hypertext D20 srd)  Applicable parts of the books: D20 Modern RPG book, Gamemastering section, pages 205-206, 217, 271-283  D&D 3.0 DMG, Chapter 4: Adventures, Tougher Monsters section, pg. 102. (there's a good formula there for how to increase or decrease a CR). D&D 3.0 Monster Manual, Creature Advancement by Type chart on page 13.  D&D 3.5 DMG, Chapter 3: Adventures, Tougher Monsters section, pg, 50. (However, the formula isn't in the DMG for 3.5 - it references pg. 293 of the 3.5E Monster Manual - in the Advanced Monster Challenge Rating section.) *sorry, I don't have a 3.5E Monster Manual so I can't confirm it for you.   You might have better luck finding specific help in the <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/other-rpg-discussion/" target="_blank">Other RPG Discussion</a> forum.  This is where the D20 Modern specific people hang out.  I hope this helps.<img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/glasses.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt="B-)" title="Glasses    B-)" data-shortname="B-)" /></blockquote>

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