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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mythtify" data-source="post: 1715832" data-attributes="member: 4331">How many new rules would you need that are not in d20 modern for a game set in 1565 England? I would like to see perhaps rules for sailing vessels, old fire arms, and I can't think of mutch else.  Sure, d20 past may be needed, but it dosn't need to be big. d20Modern can already do most things that you need it to do for d20 past. The orginal poster was stating his disapointment that d20 past was only going to be 96 pages. My point of view has been that it dosn't need to be any longer to be effective; especialy with James Wyatt as the author. As for playing 1565 england with D&D: Along with the fighter and rouge, you can add the barbarian, and the swashbuckler from complete warrior.  The rouge is versitle. You can make almost any kind of character that isn't a fighter or spell caster using a rouge. I would also use some of the rules from UA. I would probaly go with defense bonus, armor as dmg reduction, VP/Wp, and the honor system.</blockquote>