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<blockquote data-quote="DrSpunj" data-source="post: 1460480" data-attributes="member: 994"><p>Mostly, yes. At least, <em>I</em> think so. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>HD, BAB, Defense Bonus, Fort/Refl/Will Saves and Skill Points/lvl are all according to d20. Weapon & Armor Proficiency groups per the UA variant. Magic is Half or Full per Monte's AU system. All class abilities I'm categorizing as General or Combat feats.</p><p></p><p>That's it. As I've got things valued and set now, PCs get 19 Character Building points (CBs) at 1st level and 14 CBs for each level thereafter.</p><p></p><p>Now, you may look at my values and think they're screwy, but it doesn't take a lot of time (thanks to the spreadsheet) to change the values to something more to your liking, then it's just a matter of comparing the various classes and seeing how you'd tweak them to fall in-line with each other.</p><p></p><p>My biggest issue right now (as I try to finish balancing the classes) is what makes a worthwhile feat. For instance, take the Bardic Lore ability (or the Akashic's Delve Memory, basically the same thing). A 1st level Bard gets to make Bardic knowledge checks with a +1 bonus per Bard level. How would you make this a generic feat? or series of feats?</p><p></p><p>Since there are no longer Bard levels, it becomes easiest for the bonus to either become a flat +1 per character level or a flat bonus each time you take the feat. The former seems way too good and the value of that feat would be far greater if you took it at level 20 than at level 1, so that doesn't appeal to me much.</p><p></p><p>Instead, I've gone with a feat that gives you the ability to make a Lore check and gives a simple +2 bonus on the roll. That's less than you get from the +3 Skill Focus(Knowledge) feat, but Lore doesn't give you specific information, only general information, and it's useful for just about any Knowledge check you'd ever want to make so its application is quite a bit broader, while Skill Focus only gives a bonus to that one type of Knowledge, of course.</p><p></p><p>YMMV, but I think that's a reasonable feat; one that appeals to me with the right character concept, but certainly not a "must have" for most any other concept. Of course, you can take the feat multiple times, but no more often than every other level (or, if you prefer, your total bonus can never be greater than your level; either way you won't get someone with more than +20 at 20th level, just like a 20th level Bard).</p><p></p><p>There's a lot of that kind of thinking/converting at this stage. Not tough, just a bit work. I'm mostly done with my conversion of the Core classes to this system (though the Monk is especially tough given all their abilities) and now working on the AU classes.</p><p></p><p>Thanks.</p><p></p><p>DrSpunj</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DrSpunj, post: 1460480, member: 994"] Mostly, yes. At least, [i]I[/i] think so. :) HD, BAB, Defense Bonus, Fort/Refl/Will Saves and Skill Points/lvl are all according to d20. Weapon & Armor Proficiency groups per the UA variant. Magic is Half or Full per Monte's AU system. All class abilities I'm categorizing as General or Combat feats. That's it. As I've got things valued and set now, PCs get 19 Character Building points (CBs) at 1st level and 14 CBs for each level thereafter. Now, you may look at my values and think they're screwy, but it doesn't take a lot of time (thanks to the spreadsheet) to change the values to something more to your liking, then it's just a matter of comparing the various classes and seeing how you'd tweak them to fall in-line with each other. My biggest issue right now (as I try to finish balancing the classes) is what makes a worthwhile feat. For instance, take the Bardic Lore ability (or the Akashic's Delve Memory, basically the same thing). A 1st level Bard gets to make Bardic knowledge checks with a +1 bonus per Bard level. How would you make this a generic feat? or series of feats? Since there are no longer Bard levels, it becomes easiest for the bonus to either become a flat +1 per character level or a flat bonus each time you take the feat. The former seems way too good and the value of that feat would be far greater if you took it at level 20 than at level 1, so that doesn't appeal to me much. Instead, I've gone with a feat that gives you the ability to make a Lore check and gives a simple +2 bonus on the roll. That's less than you get from the +3 Skill Focus(Knowledge) feat, but Lore doesn't give you specific information, only general information, and it's useful for just about any Knowledge check you'd ever want to make so its application is quite a bit broader, while Skill Focus only gives a bonus to that one type of Knowledge, of course. YMMV, but I think that's a reasonable feat; one that appeals to me with the right character concept, but certainly not a "must have" for most any other concept. Of course, you can take the feat multiple times, but no more often than every other level (or, if you prefer, your total bonus can never be greater than your level; either way you won't get someone with more than +20 at 20th level, just like a 20th level Bard). There's a lot of that kind of thinking/converting at this stage. Not tough, just a bit work. I'm mostly done with my conversion of the Core classes to this system (though the Monk is especially tough given all their abilities) and now working on the AU classes. Thanks. DrSpunj [/QUOTE]
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