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Message: <blockquote data-quote="woodelf" data-source="post: 2696419" data-attributes="member: 10201">Here's the direct quote--i just went and double-checked to make sure i was remembering what i wrote correctly:  I'm not backpedaling--i never said "D20 Modern isn't good for anything but modern D&D"--that's someone's misreading. Looking back at my post, the only WotC product i said outright was poor is Forgotten Realms--and i stand by that assessment. The rest, i merely said there was something better, without giving either of the compared products a 10-scale rating or otherwise indicating their overall quality. If you want to read that as the lesser of the two compared products "sucks", that's your prerogative, but it's not what i wrote, nor is it what i intended. It is not an accident, or veiled meaning on my part, that i didn't actually say that.Now, do you want me to produce my supporting arguments? I'll do it. But it's gonna be 5 or 10 screenfuls for you to read, and it's not really germaine to this topic, so i thought i'd politely leave them out, and point out that, regardless of whether or not you accept my claims, the germaine point is that it is not necessarily unreasonable to dismiss a work from a known entity before the work even exists. You mistake politely downplaying my argument for backpedaling--I was trying to be polite and not clutter up the thread with a lengthy comparison of RPGs, when it became clear that i was not among like-minded people and therefore the claims would need support to be accepted. But if people actually want to argue the point.... And, yes, i am damning with faint praise--because i believe that's exactly the level of praise the products deserve. They are good, they are worthy of some praise--but not much, when smaller companies with fewer resources can produce better works pretty much every time WotC and someone else tackles the same topic. I don't think WotC stuff sucks. I think it's good--which makes it a notch below the best stuff out there, and is at least two notches below what i expect from the biggest RPG company out there. There stuff should be the best on the market--they have the resources to hire the best artists, the best writers, to actually hire editors--and it's not.edit: and i was serious about you (the generic you) picking the measuring stick: tell me what criteria you want the games judged on and, so long as its about content and not something near-tautological like "which game is produced by WotC" or "which game is most like D20M", i'll take a stab at persuading you that the competitor does it better.</blockquote>

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