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<blockquote data-quote="woodelf" data-source="post: 1764172" data-attributes="member: 10201"><p>Well, i don't need to be sold on Dragonmech--it's already the one that caught my eye the most, so, if anything, i need to be unsold on it. So, in a certain sense, it's my baseline, and i want to know what the others have that it doesn't. And that could include the tech rules--i saw enough of Dragonmech that i'm pretty confident i'll like it even if that particular bit turns out to be so-so. </p><p> </p><p> Anyway, it sounds like you're saying that Sorcery and Steam is, compared to the others, not worth bothering with--it was just first. And Quintessential Gnome also doesn't have as good of a tech system as the newer ones, plus it's got a whole bunch of stuff i'm not particularly looking for (gnomes, PrC, etc.) So i can safely ignore those and concentrate on the others.</p><p> </p><p> You say that you think the steamtech rules are best in OGL Steampunk--can you quantify how they are different from those in Iron Kingdoms? Or, for that matter, what they have that Dragonmech doesn't (by virtue of "only" dealing with the mechs)?</p><p> </p><p> Here're my initial impressions--i don't know how accurate they are, however, so feel free to disabuse me of my preconceptions:</p><p> </p><p> OGL Steampunk: crunchiest of the lot. Maybe too crunchy. Made my eyes glaze over when i got to the steamtech chapter. Though, in fairness, a lot of that could be the dreadful layout and typeface choices, rather than the content <em>per se</em>. Setting, in addition to being fairly thin wrapper for the new mechanics, seemed to be fairly unrelated to the preconceptions that jump to mind when someone says "steampunk". I expected something more like Castle Falkenstein, or maybe steamtech+Renaissance (sort of how Planescape was always drawn), rather than, as it appears, a mixture of Victorian and pulp adventure and anthropomorphic animals and Gothic horror. Not that these are bad things, just not what i expected. Magic looked pretty good, but the classes left me cold. Oh, i do like the way they did races, with, essentially, points that you spend to have a special race. Sort of half way between having to spend a feat, and getting them for free, and allows them not to be all perfectly balanced in and of themselves, so you can have reasons other than just flavor to pick one. However, while the mechanics (all that i looked at) seemed sound, they also seemed flavorless--much like the problem i have with the D&D3E books.</p><p> </p><p> Iron Kingdoms: didn't look much at the steamtech stuff. Sounds like it's about the tech level/setting style i'm looking for (i.e., da Vinci-esque, rather than Verne-esque). Gorgeous book. But it's a whole setting, not just some new rules. So, how do those other bits of setting and rules stand up? What's it do with magic? I noticed some stuff about "tenets" or "moral imperitives" for priests--do those have a mechanical impact, or just RPing? How do the new classes compare to the old ones? Are they equally generic-except-not-quite-because-of-unusual-choices-of-what-to-tie-together, or are they either more generic, or more role-specific? How easily are the various bits grabbed out for other settings? Or do the magic/classes/gods/tech all kinda tie together? Hell, i guess i maybe just need an Iron Kingdoms primer. </p><p> </p><p> Dragonmech: Woah! This is tech-centric. I think what really caught my eye was when i noticed some mention of citymechs. Cool! Seriously, i don't remember now, but i seem to remember the setting did something interesting with magic? And some interesting class variants. I suspect this is the least portable of the three, with much of the stuff being pretty specific to its setting ,which is pretty out-there compared to most fantasy settings. Mech rangers (or whatever they're called), frex.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="woodelf, post: 1764172, member: 10201"] Well, i don't need to be sold on Dragonmech--it's already the one that caught my eye the most, so, if anything, i need to be unsold on it. So, in a certain sense, it's my baseline, and i want to know what the others have that it doesn't. And that could include the tech rules--i saw enough of Dragonmech that i'm pretty confident i'll like it even if that particular bit turns out to be so-so. Anyway, it sounds like you're saying that Sorcery and Steam is, compared to the others, not worth bothering with--it was just first. And Quintessential Gnome also doesn't have as good of a tech system as the newer ones, plus it's got a whole bunch of stuff i'm not particularly looking for (gnomes, PrC, etc.) So i can safely ignore those and concentrate on the others. You say that you think the steamtech rules are best in OGL Steampunk--can you quantify how they are different from those in Iron Kingdoms? Or, for that matter, what they have that Dragonmech doesn't (by virtue of "only" dealing with the mechs)? Here're my initial impressions--i don't know how accurate they are, however, so feel free to disabuse me of my preconceptions: OGL Steampunk: crunchiest of the lot. Maybe too crunchy. Made my eyes glaze over when i got to the steamtech chapter. Though, in fairness, a lot of that could be the dreadful layout and typeface choices, rather than the content [i]per se[/i]. Setting, in addition to being fairly thin wrapper for the new mechanics, seemed to be fairly unrelated to the preconceptions that jump to mind when someone says "steampunk". I expected something more like Castle Falkenstein, or maybe steamtech+Renaissance (sort of how Planescape was always drawn), rather than, as it appears, a mixture of Victorian and pulp adventure and anthropomorphic animals and Gothic horror. Not that these are bad things, just not what i expected. Magic looked pretty good, but the classes left me cold. Oh, i do like the way they did races, with, essentially, points that you spend to have a special race. Sort of half way between having to spend a feat, and getting them for free, and allows them not to be all perfectly balanced in and of themselves, so you can have reasons other than just flavor to pick one. However, while the mechanics (all that i looked at) seemed sound, they also seemed flavorless--much like the problem i have with the D&D3E books. Iron Kingdoms: didn't look much at the steamtech stuff. Sounds like it's about the tech level/setting style i'm looking for (i.e., da Vinci-esque, rather than Verne-esque). Gorgeous book. But it's a whole setting, not just some new rules. So, how do those other bits of setting and rules stand up? What's it do with magic? I noticed some stuff about "tenets" or "moral imperitives" for priests--do those have a mechanical impact, or just RPing? How do the new classes compare to the old ones? Are they equally generic-except-not-quite-because-of-unusual-choices-of-what-to-tie-together, or are they either more generic, or more role-specific? How easily are the various bits grabbed out for other settings? Or do the magic/classes/gods/tech all kinda tie together? Hell, i guess i maybe just need an Iron Kingdoms primer. Dragonmech: Woah! This is tech-centric. I think what really caught my eye was when i noticed some mention of citymechs. Cool! Seriously, i don't remember now, but i seem to remember the setting did something interesting with magic? And some interesting class variants. I suspect this is the least portable of the three, with much of the stuff being pretty specific to its setting ,which is pretty out-there compared to most fantasy settings. Mech rangers (or whatever they're called), frex. [/QUOTE]
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