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Message: <blockquote data-quote="HeapThaumaturgist" data-source="post: 1537183" data-attributes="member: 12332">I, too, would have liked to see the D&D crap pulled from D20Modern.  I know where they were going with it ... sort of tying their flagship product to this new product.  Personally, I think it backfired.With the CONCENTRATION (and I'll call it that) on D&D In Modern Day, they watered the actual game down.  On the whole, I think that's the major problem I have with d20 Modern.  The watered-down-ness.Here's what I wish D20 Modern had been ... Alternity.  I'd have liked to see the edgy graphic design work and generality ... and DEPARTURE FROM D&D that we found in Alternity.  (IE, taking out that darned holy bovine Vancian magic system)I use D20M to play Alternity stuff.  When D20Future comes out, one of my game group is planning on running a Star*Drive campaign with it.They're revisiting alot of the Alternity "stuff" with D20Modern/Future ... monsters in the Menace Manual, a little nugget of Dark*Matter in Poly.  I think it was a wrong move, really.They were pulling for "New Gamers" with D20Modern, I think.  Urban "hip" clothing, ties back to their flagship product, dwarves with piercings, etc etc.  They were looking to pull in a bit of those sales numbers from the 16-20 crowd that helped the new D&D go crazy.  In the end, it just seemed like we were paying +$5 per product to have them rehash what we already had.  "But nobody wants to buy ALL the books to play fantasy modern...."  ... yea, but like others have said, if people are interested in using Illithids in their Modern games ... they already know what an Illithid is and that means they have the other books.I think they'd have actually done much better approaching it like they had Alternity.  I think they avoided that because it didn't sell well ... but I think the lack of sales there had more to do with the current state of the market (bad) and the state of TSR at the time (bad again).  I can wish into one hand ... But I know I'd have bought the new Dark*Matter setting book, if naught else.--fje</blockquote>

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