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<blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 4995159" data-attributes="member: 82106">Yeah, its kind of a matter of taste and perspective. I think the 4e designers goal was to trim back the proliferation of &quot;almost the same thing&quot; classifications of (particularly lower planar) creatures. The individual creatures still exist and you can still pretty much do the same stuff with them you could before but it makes some things cleaner. Like Daemons are now mechanically Demons and thus subject to the general rules for that type of creature (like for purposes of Demon Slaying weapons). I haven't actually read the GG Critter Cache on them, but if I was going to use them a decent amount in regular 4e I'd just say basically &quot;OK, there are one or more Abyssal layers these guys hail from and they have some Lords (Anthraxus, etc) that rule there and the place is called Pandemonium (or whatever it was).&quot; Of course the CC could be pretty handy for filling out their ranks etc. I think generally this kind of approach works pretty well for all sorts of oddball types of lower planar creatures. Some of the more lawful groups could have domains in the Astral Sea vs Abyssal layers of course, or have their own Elemental Domains outside the Abyss depending.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="AbdulAlhazred, post: 4995159, member: 82106"] Yeah, its kind of a matter of taste and perspective. I think the 4e designers goal was to trim back the proliferation of "almost the same thing" classifications of (particularly lower planar) creatures. The individual creatures still exist and you can still pretty much do the same stuff with them you could before but it makes some things cleaner. Like Daemons are now mechanically Demons and thus subject to the general rules for that type of creature (like for purposes of Demon Slaying weapons). I haven't actually read the GG Critter Cache on them, but if I was going to use them a decent amount in regular 4e I'd just say basically "OK, there are one or more Abyssal layers these guys hail from and they have some Lords (Anthraxus, etc) that rule there and the place is called Pandemonium (or whatever it was)." Of course the CC could be pretty handy for filling out their ranks etc. I think generally this kind of approach works pretty well for all sorts of oddball types of lower planar creatures. Some of the more lawful groups could have domains in the Astral Sea vs Abyssal layers of course, or have their own Elemental Domains outside the Abyss depending. [/QUOTE]

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