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<blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 5025554" data-attributes="member: 82106">Flat out upping dagger damage simply won't work mechanically in 4e. In the hands of a rogue the dagger is actually THE deadliest weapon a rogue can use, even more deadly than a rapier (double swords possibly notwithstanding, but that's another whole discussion). Upping the dagger to d6 or 2d4 will simply make rogues unbalanced in combat for sure, at least without other significant mechanical changes to the game.I have to agree with the plot device thing. Remember, melee combat rules are really designed to work in melee combat, not to model stabbing someone in the back in the middle of dinner. I agree with other posters that something like that is much better modeled as a skill challenge. If you do want to use the combat rules for it, then make the Baron a minion, if you successfully stab him, then he just plain dies. If the goal is to have a duel with the guy in some fashion, then in the hands of a rogue the dagger will work fine. In fact it is already mechanically the rogue's best choice of weapon for that in general.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="AbdulAlhazred, post: 5025554, member: 82106"] Flat out upping dagger damage simply won't work mechanically in 4e. In the hands of a rogue the dagger is actually THE deadliest weapon a rogue can use, even more deadly than a rapier (double swords possibly notwithstanding, but that's another whole discussion). Upping the dagger to d6 or 2d4 will simply make rogues unbalanced in combat for sure, at least without other significant mechanical changes to the game. I have to agree with the plot device thing. Remember, melee combat rules are really designed to work in melee combat, not to model stabbing someone in the back in the middle of dinner. I agree with other posters that something like that is much better modeled as a skill challenge. If you do want to use the combat rules for it, then make the Baron a minion, if you successfully stab him, then he just plain dies. If the goal is to have a duel with the guy in some fashion, then in the hands of a rogue the dagger will work fine. In fact it is already mechanically the rogue's best choice of weapon for that in general. [/QUOTE]

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