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<blockquote data-quote="BobTheNob" data-source="post: 4671253" data-attributes="member: 82425">Absolutely...not! Im afraid the frost dagger is not an implement at all (its listed as a weapon, not an implement) and so does nothing for implement powers what-so-ever. That means spells. So no, it cannot turn spells from one damage form into another. I would even go so far as saying that even if an implement weapon were used (such as staff) you would need eplicitly described that it is allowed to change damage forms of spells. An excellent example of the is the &quot;Staff of Acid and Flame&quot; from the Adventurers Vault.&nbsp;(On another note, as DM you should be on high alert against things that would change damage type so rediculously easily. Its this sort of stuff that can screw up your campaign as it eliminate the restrictions and difficulty factors associated with the classes and makes things far too easy. A DM has the dual responsbility of making a campaign fun at the same time as ensureing players arent helping themselves to convenient rule interpretation.)&nbsp;As for the acid orb, I havent seen that spell. But the quick weapon description specifically sais that the follow up strike sais &quot;with this weapon&quot;. Again, this is a weapon, not an implement. You dont &quot;cast spells&quot; through it what-so-ever.&nbsp;When reading equipment descriptions be very very VERY careful not to confuse weapons with implements (excepts staffs and weapons explicately listed as implements like the holy avenger)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="BobTheNob, post: 4671253, member: 82425"] Absolutely...not! Im afraid the frost dagger is not an implement at all (its listed as a weapon, not an implement) and so does nothing for implement powers what-so-ever. That means spells. So no, it cannot turn spells from one damage form into another. I would even go so far as saying that even if an implement weapon were used (such as staff) you would need eplicitly described that it is allowed to change damage forms of spells. An excellent example of the is the "Staff of Acid and Flame" from the Adventurers Vault. (On another note, as DM you should be on high alert against things that would change damage type so rediculously easily. Its this sort of stuff that can screw up your campaign as it eliminate the restrictions and difficulty factors associated with the classes and makes things far too easy. A DM has the dual responsbility of making a campaign fun at the same time as ensureing players arent helping themselves to convenient rule interpretation.) As for the acid orb, I havent seen that spell. But the quick weapon description specifically sais that the follow up strike sais "with this weapon". Again, this is a weapon, not an implement. You dont "cast spells" through it what-so-ever. When reading equipment descriptions be very very VERY careful not to confuse weapons with implements (excepts staffs and weapons explicately listed as implements like the holy avenger)[FONT=Courier New][COLOR=#008000][FONT=Courier New][COLOR=#008000] [/COLOR][/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT] [/QUOTE]

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