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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9691839" data-attributes="member: 18">You're just flatly wrong. I've played 35 years of TTRPGs and people who optimize but don't hog the spotlight are ten-a-penny. You might not notice them as much because they don't, but they're far more common than the inverse.Just in my own main group, we have three players who are serious optimizers. Are any of them spotlight hogs? Absolutely not. In fact the player most likely to end up "hogging" the spotlight (intentionally or unintentionally - it's more because of the kinds of PC he tends to pick and that he's quite dramatic) is generally one of the least-good at optimizing, and doesn't typically try terribly hard. And the one who is mechanically best at it? She only plays support characters! I've literally never seen her hog the spotlight! If anything she tends to create situations where other people hog it!So yeah, you're just dead wrong to claim it's "exceedingly rare" for people with optimized PCs to not hog the spotlight. Even if that's your personal experience - then your experience is very unusual.No. You're confusing optimization with being a munchkin.</blockquote>