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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Elvish Lore" data-source="post: 9707638" data-attributes="member: 48873">I don't have players losing their minds over the system because I have the virtue of having assembled a new group to play Daggerheart rather than trying to convert over anyone.  So everyone I found is into these types of PbtA games or they've investigated DH enough that they're interested in what it purportedly offers. These players are friendly towards these narrative game ideas but, at the same time, don't want to shun game mechanics and they like some level of system mastery.On the other hand, I'm involved in several other rpg groups and, while there are people among them that would like to play something more narrative focused like DH, probably a good half of each group is in the 'omg, Pathfinder 2e is so much better than this, why play theater-kid nonsense like Daggerheart' column.  In other words, rpgs where it's all about combat effectiveness are the only games they truly want to play.  It definitely feels like some of you are contending with players who share similar beliefs.For me, life is too short for this kind of teeth pulling. I suggest finding people who are more open to narrativist games.</blockquote>