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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9723307" data-attributes="member: 18">And another benefit at least with my group is that the players aren't so keen to roll the dice (even though 54% of rolls are with Hope), so you don't get the classic &quot;I roll Perception&quot; or &quot;I roll Persuasion&quot;-type behaviour which is kind of endemic to all but the very best-run (or weirdly run lol) 5E groups and indeed to an awful lot of RPGs (even if it's sometimes phrased as &quot;I want to roll Persuasion &lt; immediately rolls dice before DM can comment &gt;&quot;.In fact it's a double-whammy because there are no skills, players don't immediately think &quot;I will roll X&quot;, and they also don't want to roll for nothing (generally) because of Hope/Fear and you get a lot more describing what they actually want to do and less referring to stats/skills (not that there's none, but this was pretty noticeable).And yeah excellent post, agree with the rest too.I mean, that definitely seemed to be true for my group, and it is definitely a fast, thematic, strategic experience. I'm not sure I actually agree that &quot;most&quot; people who play D&amp;D want that, I think some people really some procedural elements to D&amp;D, like the little rituals like rolling initiative, but I feel like those people generally aren't huge fans of any RPG that isn't super-trad and preferably just D&amp;D wearing a hat.My main issue remains that I'm kind of regretting doing an Age of Umbra campaign not a sort of &quot;More fantastical Buffy/Angel&quot; kind of deal, but maybe I can slooooowly transition from the former to the latter. Supernatural basically managed it, transitioning from &quot;alarming gritty vibes jump-scare horror&quot; in S1 to &quot;jolly magic buddies against the apocalypse&quot; by like, S8 maybe?!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 9723307, member: 18"] And another benefit at least with my group is that the players aren't so keen to roll the dice (even though 54% of rolls are with Hope), so you don't get the classic "I roll Perception" or "I roll Persuasion"-type behaviour which is kind of endemic to all but the very best-run (or weirdly run lol) 5E groups and indeed to an awful lot of RPGs (even if it's sometimes phrased as "I want to roll Persuasion < immediately rolls dice before DM can comment >". In fact it's a double-whammy because there are no skills, players don't immediately think "I will roll X", and they also don't want to roll for nothing (generally) because of Hope/Fear and you get a lot more describing what they actually want to do and less referring to stats/skills (not that there's none, but this was pretty noticeable). And yeah excellent post, agree with the rest too. I mean, that definitely seemed to be true for my group, and it is definitely a fast, thematic, strategic experience. I'm not sure I actually agree that "most" people who play D&D want that, I think some people really some procedural elements to D&D, like the little rituals like rolling initiative, but I feel like those people generally aren't huge fans of any RPG that isn't super-trad and preferably just D&D wearing a hat. My main issue remains that I'm kind of regretting doing an Age of Umbra campaign not a sort of "More fantastical Buffy/Angel" kind of deal, but maybe I can slooooowly transition from the former to the latter. Supernatural basically managed it, transitioning from "alarming gritty vibes jump-scare horror" in S1 to "jolly magic buddies against the apocalypse" by like, S8 maybe?! [/QUOTE]

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