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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 9830263" data-attributes="member: 87792">Nothing was kept indeed. But we did have one thing that I'm pretty sure made 4e significantly more profitable than early 5e. We actually had D&D Insider numbers; due to the way the now long dead Gleemax boards were run we could see how many people were subscribed to D&D Insider, and this was a revenue stream that was worth millions a year up to 2013 when they reorganised the boards. (There's a reason WotC paid $143 million to buy D&D Beyond).Two things now I come to think of it. I used to refer to 5e as the "mothballs edition" (and I'm still convinced that was what was intended) because there were no supplements being released. But most of the sales are expected to be at launch - or in time for Christmas. And for the PHB. This isn't the difference you think. That sales actually grew 2016 and sales shot up in 2017 (Stranger things being first broadcast in 2016) is a huge difference of course.The one thing to do however is always assume that marketing statements are both true and making things as good as they can look. So when Mike Mearls says that "twice the sales of 2013" I believe him and also that 2013 was notably bad.</blockquote>