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<blockquote data-quote="Khaalis" data-source="post: 2290965" data-attributes="member: 2167"><p>Ok, first let me say that I AM seeking constructive criticism and do not understand the defensiveness of your post. </p><p></p><p>However, apparently my opening statements were not clear enough. My attempt with this excersize is to create the <strong>EXACT</strong> translation of the Daggerspell Mage to Daggerspell Psion as laid out in the author's original statement:</p><p></p><p><em>“Furthermore, in a campaign that includes psionics, the daggerspell mage makes an excellent class for psion/rogues. Simply change the arcane spellcasting requirements and progression to a similar psionic manifester level requirement and progression, and the daggerspell psion, the third branch of the of the Daggerspell Guardians, is ready for your campaign.” </em></p><p></p><p>The problem with the author's statement is that you <u>cannot</u> just simply make the changes he states here and be good to go. Further changes are required to make the class function for a psionic user. This excersize is to spell out those changes necessary to make the class, as is, fit a psionic user. It was not to create a <strong>New</strong> class that steals the copyright name.</p><p></p><p>If I wanted a true Psionic Rogue there is the Psychic Rogue from the Mind's Eye (<a href="http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/psm/20040723b" target="_blank">http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/psm/20040723b</a>) or create a class from scratch.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Onto some specifics...</p><p></p><p></p><p>Actually in this specific case, the cost to the 20th level Psion is the same as it would be to a 20th level caster. The 20th level psion is spending 17pp for the equivalent of a 9th level power and the arcane caster is burning a 9th level spell slot. As to energizing both - it is possible but has to be done over two rounds.</p><p></p><p>IMHO <strong>neither</strong> class would be Wise to utilize this power. My personal opinion, is that it sucks as written. It doesn’t scale except in time of duration? What arcane caster in their right mind is going to give up a 9th level spell to enchant 1 blade with +1d6 elemental damage for 9 rounds? Not a single one I know of. In fact I don’t see any arcane caster burning ANY spell slot for this bonus. I would rather burn a slot for an appropriate level spell.</p><p></p><p>However, as I stated, I am not trying to offer an alternative to the authored work in this excersize. I am simply translating it from arcane to psionic. If I were trying to re-write it, the power would add damage per spell level (or per 2PP) and affect both weapons. However, it would more likely be scrapped and something more useful added such as Improved TWF or a psionic feat.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Actually the class is a Rogue/Mage but it is geared toward combat casting. I am not arguing which is a better class, Daggerspell vs. Trickster because they both have their merits and flaws. However, they are both viable Rogue/Caster hybrid classes. The daggerspell's theme however, is spefically geared to allow casting with two weapons in hand and to bring the daggers and magic together eventually gaining the boons of ranged "Touch" spells combined with Ranged Sneak Attack and Weapon damage, as well as the ability to Both cast AND make a full attack action in the same round a certain number of times per day. Add to this... retaining more rogue-like BAB, HD and Skill base. </p><p></p><p>As for the trickster, yes it could be translated to psionics rather eaily. However, with poor BAB, HD and Skills, you remain primarily a caster with some rogue tricks. All considered this means you have basically 2 choices for Rogue/Caster:</p><p></p><p>1) Trickster = Primarily caster with some rogue tricks</p><p>2) Daggerspell = Primarily rogue with some caster tricks</p><p></p><p>Purely a choice of taste for what kind of character you want to go for.</p><p></p><p></p><p>In any event, thanks for looking at the class, even if my original intent was not clear enough. My apologies.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Khaalis, post: 2290965, member: 2167"] Ok, first let me say that I AM seeking constructive criticism and do not understand the defensiveness of your post. However, apparently my opening statements were not clear enough. My attempt with this excersize is to create the [b]EXACT[/b] translation of the Daggerspell Mage to Daggerspell Psion as laid out in the author's original statement: [i]“Furthermore, in a campaign that includes psionics, the daggerspell mage makes an excellent class for psion/rogues. Simply change the arcane spellcasting requirements and progression to a similar psionic manifester level requirement and progression, and the daggerspell psion, the third branch of the of the Daggerspell Guardians, is ready for your campaign.” [/i] The problem with the author's statement is that you [u]cannot[/u] just simply make the changes he states here and be good to go. Further changes are required to make the class function for a psionic user. This excersize is to spell out those changes necessary to make the class, as is, fit a psionic user. It was not to create a [b]New[/b] class that steals the copyright name. If I wanted a true Psionic Rogue there is the Psychic Rogue from the Mind's Eye ([url]http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/psm/20040723b[/url]) or create a class from scratch. Onto some specifics... Actually in this specific case, the cost to the 20th level Psion is the same as it would be to a 20th level caster. The 20th level psion is spending 17pp for the equivalent of a 9th level power and the arcane caster is burning a 9th level spell slot. As to energizing both - it is possible but has to be done over two rounds. IMHO [b]neither[/b] class would be Wise to utilize this power. My personal opinion, is that it sucks as written. It doesn’t scale except in time of duration? What arcane caster in their right mind is going to give up a 9th level spell to enchant 1 blade with +1d6 elemental damage for 9 rounds? Not a single one I know of. In fact I don’t see any arcane caster burning ANY spell slot for this bonus. I would rather burn a slot for an appropriate level spell. However, as I stated, I am not trying to offer an alternative to the authored work in this excersize. I am simply translating it from arcane to psionic. If I were trying to re-write it, the power would add damage per spell level (or per 2PP) and affect both weapons. However, it would more likely be scrapped and something more useful added such as Improved TWF or a psionic feat. Actually the class is a Rogue/Mage but it is geared toward combat casting. I am not arguing which is a better class, Daggerspell vs. Trickster because they both have their merits and flaws. However, they are both viable Rogue/Caster hybrid classes. The daggerspell's theme however, is spefically geared to allow casting with two weapons in hand and to bring the daggers and magic together eventually gaining the boons of ranged "Touch" spells combined with Ranged Sneak Attack and Weapon damage, as well as the ability to Both cast AND make a full attack action in the same round a certain number of times per day. Add to this... retaining more rogue-like BAB, HD and Skill base. As for the trickster, yes it could be translated to psionics rather eaily. However, with poor BAB, HD and Skills, you remain primarily a caster with some rogue tricks. All considered this means you have basically 2 choices for Rogue/Caster: 1) Trickster = Primarily caster with some rogue tricks 2) Daggerspell = Primarily rogue with some caster tricks Purely a choice of taste for what kind of character you want to go for. In any event, thanks for looking at the class, even if my original intent was not clear enough. My apologies. [/QUOTE]
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