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<blockquote data-quote="Gez" data-source="post: 2218484" data-attributes="member: 1328"><p>I'm still waiting for errata on the Daggerspell Shaper, since it states:</p><p style="margin-left: 20px">A daggerspell shaper can change into a Small or Medium animal and back again, <strong>and can do so more often than most other characters with the wild shape ability</strong>. See the druid class feature, page 37 of the <em>Player's Handbook</em>.</p><p></p><p>And this is very false.</p><p></p><p>Let's compare. The earlier one can qualify is at level 6 (druid 5 for wildshape, rogue 1 for sneak attack).</p><p>Druid 7 (3/day) vs. druid 5/rogue 1/shaper 1 (2/day) -- advantage straight druid.</p><p>D 9 (3/day) vs. DRS 7/1/1 (4/day) -- advantage druid-heavy shaper, but...</p><p>D 9 (3/day) vs. DRS 5/1/3 (2/day) -- advantage straight druid. And anyway...</p><p>D 10 (4/day) vs. DRS 8/1/1 (4/day) or DRS 7/1/2 (4/day) -- even. The advantage worked only for one level.</p><p>Now, for the coup de grâce:</p><p>D 20 (6/day + 3/day) vs. DRS 9/1/10 (6/day) -- advantage straight druid.</p><p>D 20 (6/day + 3/day) vs. DRS 18/1/1 (7/day + 2/day) -- tie, with more animal wildshapes for the Shaper, but more elemental wildshapes for the druid; but such a multiclassed character could not really claim to be primarily a daggerspell shaper.</p><p></p><p>The thing is, the druid gets three levels in a row where his number of wild shapes per day increase (5, 6, 7). The Shaper do not. So, only by becoming a Shaper after druid level 7 can he outperform the single-classed druid... Who, at this time, gets Large wildshape anyway.</p><p></p><p>Then the druid waits three levels (from 7 to 10), and then four levels (from 10 to 14 and from 14 to 18). Without counting elemental wildshapes. The DSS, on the other hand, waits four levels (from 1 to 5), then five (from 5 to 10).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Gez, post: 2218484, member: 1328"] I'm still waiting for errata on the Daggerspell Shaper, since it states: [indent]A daggerspell shaper can change into a Small or Medium animal and back again, [b]and can do so more often than most other characters with the wild shape ability[/b]. See the druid class feature, page 37 of the [i]Player's Handbook[/i].[/indent] And this is very false. Let's compare. The earlier one can qualify is at level 6 (druid 5 for wildshape, rogue 1 for sneak attack). Druid 7 (3/day) vs. druid 5/rogue 1/shaper 1 (2/day) -- advantage straight druid. D 9 (3/day) vs. DRS 7/1/1 (4/day) -- advantage druid-heavy shaper, but... D 9 (3/day) vs. DRS 5/1/3 (2/day) -- advantage straight druid. And anyway... D 10 (4/day) vs. DRS 8/1/1 (4/day) or DRS 7/1/2 (4/day) -- even. The advantage worked only for one level. Now, for the coup de grâce: D 20 (6/day + 3/day) vs. DRS 9/1/10 (6/day) -- advantage straight druid. D 20 (6/day + 3/day) vs. DRS 18/1/1 (7/day + 2/day) -- tie, with more animal wildshapes for the Shaper, but more elemental wildshapes for the druid; but such a multiclassed character could not really claim to be primarily a daggerspell shaper. The thing is, the druid gets three levels in a row where his number of wild shapes per day increase (5, 6, 7). The Shaper do not. So, only by becoming a Shaper after druid level 7 can he outperform the single-classed druid... Who, at this time, gets Large wildshape anyway. Then the druid waits three levels (from 7 to 10), and then four levels (from 10 to 14 and from 14 to 18). Without counting elemental wildshapes. The DSS, on the other hand, waits four levels (from 1 to 5), then five (from 5 to 10). [/QUOTE]
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