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<blockquote data-quote="GrahamWills" data-source="post: 6064782" data-attributes="member: 75787"><p>I assume you haven't actually tried fighting with different weapons at all seriously. The thought that the olympic gold medalist archer would last more than one round in a club-level martial arts is, frankly, a little silly. Even if you restrict just to ranged weapons, a high-school javelin champ will beat the ranger. Even if you restrict to a really focused category, like weaponless martial arts, I guarantee that a decent club-level brazilian jiu-jitsu fighter will take apart the TKD world champion at his sport.</p><p></p><p>This is a traditional area of debate in game systems, the "natural talent" versus "training" debate. In the real world, you absolutely need training to be vaguely competitive. And weapon type is such a factor their are bazillions of rules in competition to make sure the playing field is level</p><p></p><p>I have had 2 years training with a katana. Let me totally assure you that if, in an empty room I started 40' from anybody in the world with a nail file, the chances of them winning a fight with me are very low. And I'm now a barely fit 46 year old. I could even tell them my strategy, which is to assume the standard hold and advance on them and as soon as they are in range, diagonal downward cut aiming at the neck/shoulder join. Since they have zero parrying ability, their choices are basically to strike first or dodge. Both require them to be able to close 6' faster than I can bring down the sword, which is possible, but really unlikely. I have fought (in TKD) the US lightweight junior champion who was ungodly fast and even so, I'm pretty sure I'd cut him before he got to me. </p><p></p><p>Fighters being even close to equally good with weapons they have never used before, or even weapons they do not regularly train with, is total fantasy -- which is fine -- but it's not vaguely realistic.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GrahamWills, post: 6064782, member: 75787"] I assume you haven't actually tried fighting with different weapons at all seriously. The thought that the olympic gold medalist archer would last more than one round in a club-level martial arts is, frankly, a little silly. Even if you restrict just to ranged weapons, a high-school javelin champ will beat the ranger. Even if you restrict to a really focused category, like weaponless martial arts, I guarantee that a decent club-level brazilian jiu-jitsu fighter will take apart the TKD world champion at his sport. This is a traditional area of debate in game systems, the "natural talent" versus "training" debate. In the real world, you absolutely need training to be vaguely competitive. And weapon type is such a factor their are bazillions of rules in competition to make sure the playing field is level I have had 2 years training with a katana. Let me totally assure you that if, in an empty room I started 40' from anybody in the world with a nail file, the chances of them winning a fight with me are very low. And I'm now a barely fit 46 year old. I could even tell them my strategy, which is to assume the standard hold and advance on them and as soon as they are in range, diagonal downward cut aiming at the neck/shoulder join. Since they have zero parrying ability, their choices are basically to strike first or dodge. Both require them to be able to close 6' faster than I can bring down the sword, which is possible, but really unlikely. I have fought (in TKD) the US lightweight junior champion who was ungodly fast and even so, I'm pretty sure I'd cut him before he got to me. Fighters being even close to equally good with weapons they have never used before, or even weapons they do not regularly train with, is total fantasy -- which is fine -- but it's not vaguely realistic. [/QUOTE]
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