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<blockquote data-quote="CovertOps" data-source="post: 5218230" data-attributes="member: 65152">Ok...having just read and reread PHB p55 and the errata (sorry I don't have a PHB3 so feel free to jump in if something there modifies what I've read) I still think the whole rule hinges on how you read &quot;...does not protect you from the power's other effects.&quot;&nbsp; Here is my reasoning.That partial sentence comes from the rules text under the heading &quot;Keywords&quot;.&nbsp; The very next heading is &quot;Keyword Categories&quot; that has subheadings of &quot;Power Source&quot;, &quot;Damage Type&quot;, and &quot;Effect Type&quot;.&nbsp; Since no one is immune to &quot;Power Sources&quot; I'll ignore that for now.&quot;Resistance or immunity to one keyword of a power does not protect a target from the power's other effects.&quot;&nbsp; I can see only two ways to read this.&nbsp; Either damage IS or IS NOT an effect.Damage IS an &quot;effect&quot;In this reading (using the fire/cold example) it can be clearly read as &quot;Resistance or immunity to (fire) does not protect a target from the power's other (damage types or non-damaging effects).&quot;&nbsp; This reading supports my position because the power also does cold damage and immunity fire does not protect you from other (damage types or non-damaging effects) so you clearly take full damage.Damage is NOT an &quot;effect&quot;With this stance I'm going with the idea that effects (&quot;Effect Type&quot; sub-heading p55) are all about the non-damaging parts of the power.&nbsp; In other words immunity fire does not protect you from being pushed.&nbsp; This is supported by the text on p57 under &quot;Hit&quot; in the first paragraph that says &quot;...page 269, for how to make attack rolls, how to deal damage, and how to apply various effects, including conditions and forced movement.&quot;&nbsp; This clearly separates &quot;damage&quot; and &quot;effects&quot; as separate things.&nbsp; Since this makes the immunity rule completely silent on powers doing damage with multiple types and with no other rule to follow it is then left to the DM to decide.&nbsp; To further clarify why this make the immunity rule silent...&quot;Immunity...does not protect...from other (non-damaging) effects&quot;.&nbsp; Since we are discussing damage this rule has no impact.Of these two possibilities I'm leaning more towards the second reading if I was attempting to discern RAW.Let the debate continue!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="CovertOps, post: 5218230, member: 65152"] Ok...having just read and reread PHB p55 and the errata (sorry I don't have a PHB3 so feel free to jump in if something there modifies what I've read) I still think the whole rule hinges on how you read "...does not protect you from the power's other effects." Here is my reasoning. That partial sentence comes from the rules text under the heading "Keywords". The very next heading is "Keyword Categories" that has subheadings of "Power Source", "Damage Type", and "Effect Type". Since no one is immune to "Power Sources" I'll ignore that for now. "Resistance or immunity to one keyword of a power does not protect a target from the power's other [b]effects[/b]." I can see only two ways to read this. Either damage IS or IS NOT an effect. [b][i]Damage IS an "effect"[/i][/b] In this reading (using the fire/cold example) it can be clearly read as "Resistance or immunity to (fire) does not protect a target from the power's other (damage types or non-damaging effects)." This reading supports my position because the power also does cold damage and immunity fire does not protect you from other (damage types or non-damaging effects) so you clearly take full damage. [b][i]Damage is NOT an "effect"[/i][/b] With this stance I'm going with the idea that effects ("Effect Type" sub-heading p55) are all about the non-damaging parts of the power. In other words immunity fire does not protect you from being pushed. This is supported by the text on p57 under "Hit" in the first paragraph that says "...page 269, for how to make attack rolls, how to deal damage, and how to apply various effects, including conditions and forced movement." This clearly separates "damage" and "effects" as separate things. Since this makes the immunity rule completely silent on powers doing damage with multiple types and with no other rule to follow it is then left to the DM to decide. To further clarify why this make the immunity rule silent..."Immunity...does not protect...from other (non-damaging) effects". Since we are discussing damage this rule has no impact. Of these two possibilities I'm leaning more towards the second reading if I was attempting to discern RAW. Let the debate continue! [/QUOTE]

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