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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 6462133" data-attributes="member: 42582">Obviously. Which is why comments about "AD&D's 1 minute rounds" are irrelevant - the duration of the round in the fiction has no bearing on the players' real world experience of tension.This is not in dispute. But damage-on-miss is pretty much orthogonal to this. DoaM doesn't reduce resource management; and in 4e it is actually a component of it. No traditional D&D class has more resource management than the magic-user, yet the magic-user has almost always had auto-damage effects. The choice is which one (out of a suite of available spells, wands, etc) to use.The only argument I can see in the neightbourhood is that, because the only choice about deployment the fighter player has to make is who to attack, then the only way to introduce tension and uncertainty into the player of a fighter is via a miss chance (and corresponding lack of auto-damage). Which is basically admitting that the fighter doesn't require resource maangement, and hence is about lottery play instead.In my view the argument fails for another resaon to: the damage die roll is part of the "luck" aspect of resource management, and DoaM preserves that, with the to hit roll in effect becoming a component of the damage roll, determining whether the damage is STR or W+STR.</blockquote>