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<blockquote data-quote="Bacon Bits" data-source="post: 7855816" data-attributes="member: 6777737"><p>Here as in ENWorld's forums, though as far as I'm aware it was an issue mirrored in the entire playtest. You must not have been very active in 2013 through early 2014 when damage on a miss was floated during the 5e playtest.</p><p></p><p>I also was not very active on EN World at that point (we were mostly playing Savage Worlds and board games) but as I recall, the threads discussing the topic got so bad that Morrus: (a) created a damage on a miss subforum, (b) locked or moved all damage-on-a-miss threads to that subforum, and (c) banned discussion of damage on a miss anywhere else. <a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/open-letter-to-mike-mearls-from-a-pro-game-dev.352516/#post-6256675" target="_blank">You can still find threads if you search</a>, however. That may not have happened until after WotC released an update that dropped damage on a miss from the playtest, however.</p><p></p><p>What I can say for certain is that the discussion raged out of control, and our group specifically avoided playtesting 5e after two people in our group looked into it and were later laughing about how unreasonable and toxic all the online discussions they found were. We simply couldn't believe that an improved game would come out of that. My guess is that a lot of people complaining weren't actually playing.</p><p></p><p>The people who didn't like it <em>would simply not shut up about it</em>. I'm certain WotC removed it because of how some people reacted to it rather than any mechanical or play objections. There is a very clear, <em>very vocal</em> minority of players who act like damage on a miss personally insulted their mother's honor.</p><p></p><p>I do distinctly recall a tweet from Mike Mearls circa 2014 where he trolled people that he was going to remove "damage on a hit".</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bacon Bits, post: 7855816, member: 6777737"] Here as in ENWorld's forums, though as far as I'm aware it was an issue mirrored in the entire playtest. You must not have been very active in 2013 through early 2014 when damage on a miss was floated during the 5e playtest. I also was not very active on EN World at that point (we were mostly playing Savage Worlds and board games) but as I recall, the threads discussing the topic got so bad that Morrus: (a) created a damage on a miss subforum, (b) locked or moved all damage-on-a-miss threads to that subforum, and (c) banned discussion of damage on a miss anywhere else. [URL='https://www.enworld.org/threads/open-letter-to-mike-mearls-from-a-pro-game-dev.352516/#post-6256675']You can still find threads if you search[/URL], however. That may not have happened until after WotC released an update that dropped damage on a miss from the playtest, however. What I can say for certain is that the discussion raged out of control, and our group specifically avoided playtesting 5e after two people in our group looked into it and were later laughing about how unreasonable and toxic all the online discussions they found were. We simply couldn't believe that an improved game would come out of that. My guess is that a lot of people complaining weren't actually playing. The people who didn't like it [I]would simply not shut up about it[/I]. I'm certain WotC removed it because of how some people reacted to it rather than any mechanical or play objections. There is a very clear, [I]very vocal[/I] minority of players who act like damage on a miss personally insulted their mother's honor. I do distinctly recall a tweet from Mike Mearls circa 2014 where he trolled people that he was going to remove "damage on a hit". [/QUOTE]
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