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<blockquote data-quote="Garthanos" data-source="post: 7857113" data-attributes="member: 82504"><p>Generally speaking though the class with the glut of proficiencies like the rogue or bard are getting more support for that glut isnt (things like reliable talent ) ... if you were seeing reliable talent on monk instead of rogue to represent his extremely wise disciplined application of his skills as opposed to the creative use of the rogue. Then the classes other factors would be being used to balance it out a bit. Let super creative Bard have better critical effects on his skill use maybe. Shrug now that kind of thing would be using the distinctions in class style to adjust skill functional value in a stylistic way. </p><p></p><p></p><p>I do not see how the natural creates any unexpected swing on the equation... But that latter is the DMs little red car entering the picture... you know having no foundation for shared expectations only exaggerates it?The vroom vroom fiat mobile can make most of one check or another easier or harder for a simplistic example or more impactful.</p><p></p><p>Maybe but I keep thinking the bulk of the equation is when we quit measuring the differences between skills and start looking at how skills line up with the other type of abilities which have the old fashioned benefit of yeh but I spent a resource I get more assumption. Regardless of how the checks line up with one another there seems no guidelines in how what they can do relates with what a plot coupon class abilities can do (usually spells). And there really doesn't seem to be a general expectation or guidelines of equity because remember without the spell caster adventuring will be 10 times more difficult it says so up front on the label.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Garthanos, post: 7857113, member: 82504"] Generally speaking though the class with the glut of proficiencies like the rogue or bard are getting more support for that glut isnt (things like reliable talent ) ... if you were seeing reliable talent on monk instead of rogue to represent his extremely wise disciplined application of his skills as opposed to the creative use of the rogue. Then the classes other factors would be being used to balance it out a bit. Let super creative Bard have better critical effects on his skill use maybe. Shrug now that kind of thing would be using the distinctions in class style to adjust skill functional value in a stylistic way. I do not see how the natural creates any unexpected swing on the equation... But that latter is the DMs little red car entering the picture... you know having no foundation for shared expectations only exaggerates it?The vroom vroom fiat mobile can make most of one check or another easier or harder for a simplistic example or more impactful. Maybe but I keep thinking the bulk of the equation is when we quit measuring the differences between skills and start looking at how skills line up with the other type of abilities which have the old fashioned benefit of yeh but I spent a resource I get more assumption. Regardless of how the checks line up with one another there seems no guidelines in how what they can do relates with what a plot coupon class abilities can do (usually spells). And there really doesn't seem to be a general expectation or guidelines of equity because remember without the spell caster adventuring will be 10 times more difficult it says so up front on the label. [/QUOTE]
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