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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Scion" data-source="post: 1324660" data-attributes="member: 5777">I hate to pull the topic off discussion, though this is still close in some ways.two weapon defense, +1 to ac for one feat. Not going to help a whole lot on the ac department there, also only works when weilding both weapons. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />thf and twf both lack a shield unless they go for an animated one, and then the thf is ahead, he only had to buy one weapon after all. Twf cannot use a shield at the same time, from the srd: You can also use your shield arm to wield a weapon (whether you are using an off-hand weapon or using your off hand to help wield a two-handed weapon), but you take a –1 penalty on attack rolls while doing so. This penalty stacks with those that may apply for fighting with your off hand and for fighting with two weapons. In any case, if you use a weapon in your off hand, you don’t get the buckler’s AC bonus for the rest of the round.mithril breast plate AC 5, max dex 5 = 10mithril full plate AC 8, max dex 3 = 11looks like the thf is actually slightly ahead. there are probably better builds, those are just the first two I grabbed.defending weapon is nice, but you kill your ability to hit and deal damage with it. So you are even farther behind in that area, a regular shield is better.The thf wont tend to have much worse of an ac at all, at least nothing you have shown so far says that there will be any major difference. the twf needs a 19+ dex, he wont have much strength left over. Falling farther behind without a lot or even any ac bonus. Both str and dex are good for a lot of things though, so that is ok.grappling, thf, they have a higher strength so are harder to grapple. (side note, if you are a thf, CARRY A DAGGER OR SHORT SWORD, a few points of enchantment cost negligable amounts when compared to the alternative)thf are effectively better in almost every way, except possibly for a rogue, and that is about it.</blockquote>

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