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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Scion" data-source="post: 1341765" data-attributes="member: 5777">Prove it.In the above examples thf had the same ac as sword and board most of the time. Twf has the same options open to it but at a high cost.As for the rest, I want all of them to be generally equal. The twf and thf share certain characteristics. Thf however does more damage, has the same (comparable) ac, and uses less feats to do so. I have no merely been going by the damage output, I have been comparing everything else as well. If they are ahead in 90+% of the ways out there then something is wrong.Thf doesnt need power attack, it is just incredibly powerful for it to use in 3.5. So its entry costs are still 0.Even if you use it as an entry cost (which is odd) it still only adds an extra combat manuever to the thf whereas the twf had to use a feat to just get into the same ballpark of damage that the thf had before any feats were spent.So with damage being obvious (thf does more), cost being obvious (thf costs less), feat choices being obvious (thf costs less), and ac being debatable at best is there really even any room left to debate? Your chart above points to trends that have yet to be shown anywhere, where are you getting your data?</blockquote>