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<blockquote data-quote="Helldritch" data-source="post: 7830955" data-attributes="member: 6855114">That is exactly what happened with magic missile. I bet that if Ice Knife would've existed at the time it would have been abused just as much. The willingness to abuse upgraded magic missile will be there rest assured. A sorcerer will abuse the Ice Knife as much as you can imagine. 4d6 aoe at 17th level might not be much but the spell does target only one target and can be twined. So we look at 8d6 or a mini fireball. How would you increment it? 4d10 to the initial target and 4d6 to the surrounding enemies or 1d10 and then 4d6 (my personal choice) or let the player decide where to apply is bonus damage (like 2d10 and 3d6 or any combination)? The spell brings two different types of damage (singular damage and AOE damage).I have toyed with your idea at the start of 5ed (it's hard not to resist to boost wizards as they had been the power house of many editions) and we reverted relatively fast to the normal play style. And with all the new spells out there in the additional books boosting spells would always be on a case by case basis.In addition, this solution puts the mage into quite a trap, at high level, the low level slots are there to protect himself from enemies entering melee range (or to avoid being shot by arrows). With the added damage, the temptation to use 1st and 2nd level spells becomes almost impossible to resist, leading the wizard in risking loosing high level slots to protect himself where a low level one would have done the job. This has the potential to remove a much needed high level spell slot for a future combat.On the surface, it is a good idea. The more you dig it in, the more the flaws will show. All I can say is: &quot;Try it and tell us if what happened in my campaign happened in yours too.&quot;</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Helldritch, post: 7830955, member: 6855114"] That is exactly what happened with magic missile. I bet that if Ice Knife would've existed at the time it would have been abused just as much. The willingness to abuse upgraded magic missile will be there rest assured. A sorcerer will abuse the Ice Knife as much as you can imagine. 4d6 aoe at 17th level might not be much but the spell does target only one target and can be twined. So we look at 8d6 or a mini fireball. How would you increment it? 4d10 to the initial target and 4d6 to the surrounding enemies or 1d10 and then 4d6 (my personal choice) or let the player decide where to apply is bonus damage (like 2d10 and 3d6 or any combination)? The spell brings two different types of damage (singular damage and AOE damage). I have toyed with your idea at the start of 5ed (it's hard not to resist to boost wizards as they had been the power house of many editions) and we reverted relatively fast to the normal play style. And with all the new spells out there in the additional books boosting spells would always be on a case by case basis. In addition, this solution puts the mage into quite a trap, at high level, the low level slots are there to protect himself from enemies entering melee range (or to avoid being shot by arrows). With the added damage, the temptation to use 1st and 2nd level spells becomes almost impossible to resist, leading the wizard in risking loosing high level slots to protect himself where a low level one would have done the job. This has the potential to remove a much needed high level spell slot for a future combat. On the surface, it is a good idea. The more you dig it in, the more the flaws will show. All I can say is: "Try it and tell us if what happened in my campaign happened in yours too." [/QUOTE]

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