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<blockquote data-quote="Nisarg" data-source="post: 1686612" data-attributes="member: 19893"><p>But no one, not me and not Ryan, are suggesting that. No one. Only the people who have a knee-jerk anti-establishment reaction suggest that we do. What Ryan was proposing was that it be only one factor, not that "the best selling product wins".</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The problem with this point of view, other than the base assumption that sales would be the "only" or even most important factor (it would not, at least not under Ryan's proposal), is twofold:</p><p></p><p>1. Making a point of being anti-sales almost guarantees that there will be an inherent bias against the best selling games.. it leads to the mentality that "if it sells well it can't be "art" ". So high-selling games actually end up excluded.</p><p></p><p>2. The basic assumption, combined with point #1 above mean that the awards become a marginalized event, totally out of touch with the gaming public. The average gamer thinks that (let's say) the "Guide to the Outer Planes" (which sold, let's say, 8000 copies) is a prize-worthy book, but instead the judges end up giving it to "le monde de les petites pommes de terre" by R. Bumquist Unknownguy that sold 8 copies and that reluctantly. It means the awards become irrelevant to the gaming public by completely ignoring the gaming public's taste. Which is why we have thousands of posts on this thread saying "why should i care about GAMA"?</p><p></p><p>Origins has to decide whether it wants to be the Oscars of the gaming world, or if it wants to be the East Hoboken Independant Filmfest of the gaming world. It can't claim to be the foremost gaming awards ceremony if it willfully rejects giving awards to the foremost games, the ones people actually play. It may even be too late, in many ways the ENnies are becoming what Origins always claimed to be and almost never was.</p><p></p><p>Nisarg</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Nisarg, post: 1686612, member: 19893"] But no one, not me and not Ryan, are suggesting that. No one. Only the people who have a knee-jerk anti-establishment reaction suggest that we do. What Ryan was proposing was that it be only one factor, not that "the best selling product wins". The problem with this point of view, other than the base assumption that sales would be the "only" or even most important factor (it would not, at least not under Ryan's proposal), is twofold: 1. Making a point of being anti-sales almost guarantees that there will be an inherent bias against the best selling games.. it leads to the mentality that "if it sells well it can't be "art" ". So high-selling games actually end up excluded. 2. The basic assumption, combined with point #1 above mean that the awards become a marginalized event, totally out of touch with the gaming public. The average gamer thinks that (let's say) the "Guide to the Outer Planes" (which sold, let's say, 8000 copies) is a prize-worthy book, but instead the judges end up giving it to "le monde de les petites pommes de terre" by R. Bumquist Unknownguy that sold 8 copies and that reluctantly. It means the awards become irrelevant to the gaming public by completely ignoring the gaming public's taste. Which is why we have thousands of posts on this thread saying "why should i care about GAMA"? Origins has to decide whether it wants to be the Oscars of the gaming world, or if it wants to be the East Hoboken Independant Filmfest of the gaming world. It can't claim to be the foremost gaming awards ceremony if it willfully rejects giving awards to the foremost games, the ones people actually play. It may even be too late, in many ways the ENnies are becoming what Origins always claimed to be and almost never was. Nisarg [/QUOTE]
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