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<blockquote data-quote="Nisarg" data-source="post: 1687043" data-attributes="member: 19893"><p>The problem is that the definition of "good" is highly subjective, especially if you remove commercial success from the definition. One judge's idea of "good" might be that all RPGs should have as their underlying theme the study of little potato people. Another might hate D20. A third might have a beef against White Wolf, and another might want nothing but Naked Shemale Wrestling RPGs. And of course, you'll have the president of Earthquake Games saying "hey.. i know some rpgs that are good, MY rpgs.. how convenient, let's give the prize to them".</p><p></p><p>Also, by your logic, there is no way to judge what games get into the running in the first place. Should a game that has NEVER sold a single copy, and is publically hated by the fans, get a position because a critic thinks its "good"?</p><p>What about a game that no one has ever heard of, written by a crazy guy in a shack in Montana, who refuses to ever sell a copy?</p><p></p><p>But wait, you say, "surely the judges will all be qualified industry professionals". That's great, except how do you qualify what makes an "industry professional"? I would presume that by your logic writing successful RPGs (ie. RPGs that sell well) would NOT be the way to decide who's qualified in the industry? So hell, in that case why don't we just give the judge position to the crazy Montana shack guy?</p><p></p><p>Of course, the response to that is that his "industry peers" will determine who's qualified to judge. Except that if the "industry peer" have no standards by which to judge quality either, where do we get them from? You end up with a tiny group of intellectual elitists who have no relation to the reality of the gaming industry, and thus, are of NO importance to the gaming public. The Origins you envision becomes an incestuous mutual-patting-on-the-back of pretentious snobs.</p><p></p><p>And yes, the Oscars are neither a popularity contest, nor are they a sales prize. But they do always take both those factors into account, which is THE ONLY THING RYAN WAS ASKING TO DO.</p><p>The Oscar never goes to a movie made by a pair of drunken boy scouts that no one's ever seen. "Jedi Kid" doesn't get best actor. </p><p></p><p>And the academy has been MORE often criticized (at least, by normal human beings) of ignoring popular choices from time to time, leading to occasions where true classics get passed over in favour of nepotistic choices or artsy but obscure films.</p><p></p><p>Nisarg</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Nisarg, post: 1687043, member: 19893"] The problem is that the definition of "good" is highly subjective, especially if you remove commercial success from the definition. One judge's idea of "good" might be that all RPGs should have as their underlying theme the study of little potato people. Another might hate D20. A third might have a beef against White Wolf, and another might want nothing but Naked Shemale Wrestling RPGs. And of course, you'll have the president of Earthquake Games saying "hey.. i know some rpgs that are good, MY rpgs.. how convenient, let's give the prize to them". Also, by your logic, there is no way to judge what games get into the running in the first place. Should a game that has NEVER sold a single copy, and is publically hated by the fans, get a position because a critic thinks its "good"? What about a game that no one has ever heard of, written by a crazy guy in a shack in Montana, who refuses to ever sell a copy? But wait, you say, "surely the judges will all be qualified industry professionals". That's great, except how do you qualify what makes an "industry professional"? I would presume that by your logic writing successful RPGs (ie. RPGs that sell well) would NOT be the way to decide who's qualified in the industry? So hell, in that case why don't we just give the judge position to the crazy Montana shack guy? Of course, the response to that is that his "industry peers" will determine who's qualified to judge. Except that if the "industry peer" have no standards by which to judge quality either, where do we get them from? You end up with a tiny group of intellectual elitists who have no relation to the reality of the gaming industry, and thus, are of NO importance to the gaming public. The Origins you envision becomes an incestuous mutual-patting-on-the-back of pretentious snobs. And yes, the Oscars are neither a popularity contest, nor are they a sales prize. But they do always take both those factors into account, which is THE ONLY THING RYAN WAS ASKING TO DO. The Oscar never goes to a movie made by a pair of drunken boy scouts that no one's ever seen. "Jedi Kid" doesn't get best actor. And the academy has been MORE often criticized (at least, by normal human beings) of ignoring popular choices from time to time, leading to occasions where true classics get passed over in favour of nepotistic choices or artsy but obscure films. Nisarg [/QUOTE]
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