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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Acid_crash" data-source="post: 1691965" data-attributes="member: 16278">Man, people sure do like to argue.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />I had a bunch of time to kill, can't sleep, it's almost 0400 hrs where I'm at right now, read this thread because I found it funny and rather ludicrous in what people do and how people react to things.  I don't know what GAMA is, and never been to a game convention (which is something I want to rectify next year), but I do know about the game awards that happen at Origins (it is at Origins, right?) and the last four years, primarily after d20 came out, I have see products that won that I thought was utter crap, distasteful, and I wondered who it was that not only nominated for these products, but felt the need to give them an award despite the fact that I never heard of some of them, and others I did hear of, I remember not liking or buying for a specific reason...and now I know why this is the case.  Nothing too personal to those who are on this board who nominate the games for those awards, but you guys don't have a clue as to what most general gamers like.  You pick products that you feel deserve them, and maybe in your subjective eyes they do, but not in mine.  You pick products that fit niche areas that are less known and less popular, and sometimes I get the feeling that you flat out ignore the more popular products because of the fact that they are, indeed, popular.  At least with ENnies, I understand the process better, and I can select who I want to pick the products up for nomination.  Heck, if I become a popular board member on these threads I could become a judge myself, but for that to happen I would probably have to become, well, popular, and that won't happen because even the ENnies have it's flaws (some judges get picked every year just because of name recognition within the threads) and some other people get overlooked because we might have 200 or so posts and others have 5000 posts and therefore is looked upon with more respect by others.  Sorry, got off on a small tangent, but no system is perfect, and yours at GAMA is flawed more than most.  I'lll never be a judge of the ENnies, that's fine, at least I can still vote on which product within the category I find more choosing, and I can honestly say that if the one I vote on doesn't win, at least my vote did count.You pick products based on quality...stop because you can't define quality, it's one of those philosophical terms with no real meaning because it's so subjective...it's like trying to tell someone what Good is, or Virtue, or anything of that sort, and the only ones you are pleasing are the ones who have the same style of quality that you do.  But, above all of this crap I have read over the last 11 pages, there is way way too much politics going on and NOT enough gaming going on...and that is what we are supposed to be doing, right?  ------------- about the d20/anti-d20 peoples -------This is getting just worse each year from my very small and apparently insignificant view.  I am just a gamer, I spend some money on products that I like in the hopes to eventually play them.  I spend money on anything that catches my eye, d20 or not.  I am an all round gamer (I'll play ccgs, computer games, board games, rpgs, video games...but not larps).  I have been on these bards since late 1999 using different names when one name gets boring to me I resign up under a different name, but I've been around from the beginning of d20.I am the type of person that you game designers and industry people should be wanting to catch...I have money to spend, so make products that will catch my eye.  There's more of me than of you, more people like me who wants variety than the same.  When d20 first came out, that was the first time I ever liked D&D.  I hated it up until then.  Just how many class books, race books, spell books did 2e need to have?  As far as I'm concerned, we only need the core boooks for all that.  d20 was fresh, new, and exciting.  We had feats to give us variety, prestige classes to give us focus, and new classes and a new experience/leveling system.  Now, it's boring as hell.  How many class books, race books, spell books, feat books do we really need for 3.5?  It's the same thing all over again, and it's amazing that history is going to repeat itself over the next couple years until D&D 4.0 is released.  Then history will repeat itself again because for some reason D&D is so popular and people are so easily manipulated by the name that for many it's the only game to play.  But we have our d20gamers, and our antid20gamers, and whenever two are in the same room sparks begin to fly.  Arguments occur over which system should be played, which is better, how much d20 sucks, or how good d20 is.  People explain that only d20 should be played because of all the support for it, others say that d20 shouldn't be played at all because it's driving so many game companies and publishers and game authors to writing so many similar books for a single game system that it's going to cause a great stagnation to the point where nothing will get sold just because of too much stuff being printed under a single d20 logo.  The way things are going, there is going to be two roleplaying industries in a few years...we will have the d20 game industry, and we will have the anti d20 game industry.  d20gamers will only play d20, or play it the majority of the time and anti-d20gamers will not play it at all and will constantly look for something else to play.  This split in the industry is because of so many of you game designers pushing one game system over others that you will be forcing people to really make a choice, and one that isn't good for gaming in the long run.  But, I guess, as long as you get your money, why should some of you designers care, right?  This year, there are at least three games I know of that will be pretty darn good... Fireborn, Weapons of the Gods, and A/state that is neither d20 or Storyteller, but the WoD 2.0 looks pretty darn good as well.  I don't know if I made any points at all, or just rambled, but I don't really care.  I am just a lowly gamers who plays these games for the enjoyment of the game, and it sickens me to see established designers, publishers, and whatnot who have no clue what general gamers know, think, and like to play, and you assume you know what we want when you might not have a clue.</blockquote>

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