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<blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 5329615" data-attributes="member: 2525">Well, I would disagree that new PC races is a core new component of 4e (3e had TONS of them, including all the ones in 4e...I think your emphasis on PHB is not useful).&nbsp; But as for the other aspects, I don't see those as core components either.&nbsp; Fighter Dailies (as opposed to dailies in general)? Wizard at-wills (as opposed to all at-wills)? How are those the bold new grounds? Not to mention, they HAVE gone further down all those roads in recent products.&nbsp; I think your focus on Essentials is not really representative of all their recent publications.You're referring to the new stuff just put out for new players and new DMs.&nbsp; Why do you feel like that is more representative of current products than Dark Sun, for example?Going after new customers, and trying to gain back some old customers, is not mutually exclusive with success.&nbsp; Indeed, wouldn't they want to do those things regardless of success or failure?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mistwell, post: 5329615, member: 2525"] Well, I would disagree that new PC races is a core new component of 4e (3e had TONS of them, including all the ones in 4e...I think your emphasis on PHB is not useful). But as for the other aspects, I don't see those as core components either. Fighter Dailies (as opposed to dailies in general)? Wizard at-wills (as opposed to all at-wills)? How are those the bold new grounds? Not to mention, they HAVE gone further down all those roads in recent products. I think your focus on Essentials is not really representative of all their recent publications. You're referring to the new stuff just put out for new players and new DMs. Why do you feel like that is more representative of current products than Dark Sun, for example? Going after new customers, and trying to gain back some old customers, is not mutually exclusive with success. Indeed, wouldn't they want to do those things regardless of success or failure? [/QUOTE]

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